European Aryan invasion theory- Genetic proof?
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Written in blood New Scientist vol 170 issue 2291 - 19 May 2001, page 17
The origins of India's rigid caste system are confirmed by DNA tests
UPPER-CASTE Indians are genetically more like Europeans, while members of India's lower castes are more like other Asians, says an international team of researchers.
"It seems to confirm much of the research that basically has drawn from linguistic analysis and theories about the movements of people into South Asia," says Robert Hardgrave of the University of Texas, Austin, who has written extensively on India and its caste system. Based on such evidence, most historians believe that waves of Indo-European-speaking people from eastern Europe and the Caucasus set up the caste system as they moved into the Indian subcontinent about 5000 years ago.
"When the Aryans came in, they brought with them a social hierarchy," says Hardgrave. "We have some historical and archaeological evidence which suggests that as the Aryans came in, they intermarried with indigenous people and also absorbed many of them into their system of ranking."
Some people dismiss this theory as a myth, claiming it "devalues" India's history. Now, however, genetic studies have produced strong evidence supporting the theory. A team led by Michael Bamshad of the University of Utah in Salt Lake City compared the DNA of 265 Indian men from different castes with DNA from nearly 750 African, European, Asian and other Indian men.
First, they analysed mitochondrial DNA, which people only inherit from their mothers. When the researchers looked at specific sets of genes that tend to be inherited as a unit, they found about 20 to 30 per cent of the Indian sets resembled those in Europeans. The percentage was highest in upper caste males. Overall, though, each caste resembled other Asians most.
Next, the team studied genetic variations in the Y chromosome, which is inherited from the father. "We saw a strikingly different pattern," says Bamshad. In this case, most castes resembled Europeans more closely than Asians. "The upper castes were more similar to Europeans, the middle castes were genetically equidistant from Europeans and Asians, and the lower castes were more similar to Asians," he says.
The researchers got similar results when they examined 40 sets of genes on other chromosomes. The findings support the theory that the Indo-European immigrants appointed themselves to the higher castes, Bamshad says. The Y chromosome evidence also supports the idea that the original immigrants were mostly male.
The caste system was based on occupation and socioeconomic status. The upper castes were the Brahmans (priests), the Kshatriyas (warriors) and the Vaisyas (traders). The Sudras, who were the farmers and artisans, comprised the lower caste. Later, a fifth caste—"the untouchables"—was established for those who did menial tasks.
In modern India, the caste system is breaking down in some parts of society but still going strong in others, as a look at matrimonial ads in Indian newspapers reveals. While some expressly say that "caste is no bar", others ask for brides or bridegrooms not just of the same caste, but of the precise sub-caste.
Anil Ananthaswamy
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- From: fds (@ 128.163.229.27)
on: Tue Nov 23 19:54:07 EST 2004
what exactly is the purpose of the study and what are its implications? does it really matter that certain Hindu castes may be part European?
- From: davie (@ ecclap15)
on: Wed Nov 24 05:10:33 EST 2004
ask a very specific question. the answer for your line question would be approximately 10 pages
- From: davie (@ ecclap15)
on: Wed Nov 24 05:10:57 EST 2004
ask a very specific question. the answer for your one line question would be approximately 10 pages
- From: Tom (@ wagax6-019.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
on: Wed Nov 24 05:40:29 EST 2004
"you losers are beneath us" and you say you're not racist? i don't understand how you can.
so you've called me a racist on what grounds? that i support the ait...but i never said i did. i just don't ignorantly dismiss it like you, i don't know if it's true or not. so basically you've called me a racist becuae i'm white. can you not see that's a racial prejudice?
i said this to someone else like you...i don't know how someone can be so self-righteous about racism, when they themselves are displaying so much biggotry.
are you this hostile to everyone in real life?
- From: kal-k (@ 81-174-217-144.pth-as10.dial.plus.net)
on: Wed Nov 24 08:36:36 EST 2004
no not this hostile to everyone - only wankers who think that varicose veins makes them a purer race like that loser John Gren who promotes NAZI propaganda.....
does it really matter that some indians are the descendent of European Aryans and others are not?
Dear John Gren only NAZI minions promote the NAZI ARYAN INVASION THEORY......
DRAVIDIAN only means South and doesnot mean skin colour or origin of race.......
- From: kal-k (@ 81-174-217-144.pth-as10.dial.plus.net)
on: Wed Nov 24 08:41:10 EST 2004
"you losers are beneath us" and you say you're not racist? i don't understand how you can.
yes because of your countries past not because i say so but because your dictionary says so as well as the confirmation of your history.....
if a childs father is a fool and a thief the child then through NO fault of his/her own adopts the title 'son/daughter of a fool or a thief' thanks to the actions of the father.....
same with the British - and therefore thanks to the actions of your past the blood that flows through your veins can be compared to SEWAGE and that is why despite having all the gold and wealth of others the very blood in your veins is worse than SEWAGE....get it.......Tom.....
are you this hostile to everyone in real life?
no - just to losers who want to promote the AIT which is designed to be promoted on behalf of NAZI lovers and their minions.....
- From: innit (@ 81-174-217-144.pth-as10.dial.plus.net)
on: Wed Nov 24 08:46:34 EST 2004
think about it #Tom these racists look at each other everyday and are so deluded belief that they are part of a master race cos they are white yet the skin colour of this supreme race who think they are better than everyone cos they are white rots and pops as it decays like poultry gone wrong....am confused as to how these losers can be so blind yet stupid which we know they are for their beliefs -
please explain how varicose veins and variegated faces make a race better than others?
divide and conquer - life and karmik justice divides and splatters your faces in the form of varicose veins to the point you losers won't even want to look at each other - not the face or the ankles........
all the signs are there - who would want to touch you down there Tom no matter how big it is after all
sausages look and taste better when cooked
- From: confused (@ 81-174-217-144.pth-as10.dial.plus.net)
on: Wed Nov 24 08:48:51 EST 2004
get this through your thick head 'tom' the AIT is a NAZI theory and thats all.....ok
look at your face and your rotting chipolota and see why from the ankles to the eyelids the white skin is covered in SIGNS that it doesnot make a race better cos they suffer from varicose veins...?
am really confused.......
whats so good about poultry gone wrong?
- From: JohnGren (@ 128.163.227.99)
on: Wed Nov 24 12:35:30 EST 2004
"only NAZI minions promote the NAZI ARYAN INVASION THEORY...... "
Don't certain indians promote the Aryan Invasion theory? how can they be Nazi minions?
I really don't think Hitler and other Nazis mean Indian when they use the world Aryan.
- From: Tom (@ wagax7-147.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
on: Wed Nov 24 23:29:21 EST 2004
see, i never said i do think white skin is better than any other type. you presume i think it because i am white, which is a RACIST presumption.
i think skin clour doesn't matter, and i don't know why you think one skin colour is inferior. it just baffles me how you can be so racist.
i don't know what you're talking about with the varicose thing either. i've never met anyone with it.
can you not understand that atleast some white people actually want equality, and diagreed with hitler and his racial supremacy?
and i'm still baffled with why you associate ait with hitler...he beleived aryans were blonde hair blue eyes, not invading iranians.
- From: TOM (@ wagax7-147.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
on: Wed Nov 24 23:33:03 EST 2004
"whats so good about poultry gone wrong?"
just show me where i said white skin was better.
i'd really appreciate it if you would email me so we could talk about it there.
- From: Tom (@ wagax7-147.dialup.optusnet.com.au)
on: Wed Nov 24 23:33:14 EST 2004
"whats so good about poultry gone wrong?"
just show me where i said white skin was better.
i'd really appreciate it if you would email me so we could talk about it there.
- From: Papa Babu (@ mv3-24.171.25.162.charter-stl.com)
on: Thu Nov 25 02:46:56 EST 2004
//"whats so good about poultry gone wrong//
if u consume it u will go bad. just as bad as GM food and hormone injected beef.does australia use GM food and bovien hormone injected meat? just curious.
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