What was wrong was HEY RAM?
Topic started by Surya (@ cache-ntc-ab08.proxy.aol.com) on Mon Mar 8 22:05:05 EST 2004.
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I have a question, what was wrong with HEY RAM?
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- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Mar 15 22:04:41 EST 2004
///kamal exposed the RSS' feudal, vedic, brahmanical and murderous agenda in HEY RAm///
How? And he showed the muslims killing kamal's wife after like 9 of them raped her. All the message that he wanted to say, he said through ABYANKAR. He can't say what he wants to say openly, then fanatics like u will burn his house down.
///Even RSS leader RamaGopalan got angry on KAMAL for His movie "Anbe Sivam" ///
hey kamalfan,
I only like that movie because of kamal's acting, and the direction. Other than that, i thought that he supported communism way way too much. Thats why Rama Gopalan was angry.
///RSS people are minority compared to Muslim Population in India.///
Of course, i don't think that muslims have ever heard of anything called birthcontrol. Each one of them have like 8 children!!! Use birth control guys.
///Majority of Hindus hates the principles of RSS.///
Ur way off on that u idiot!!!
///Thats Why He is taking Films like "UNnnal Mudium Thambi"///
He took movies like Unnal Mudiyum Thambi because he didn't believe in castes not because he didn't want to be a bramin!!! And he isn't even a bramin in that movie u idiot!! he is a pillai!!!
If a hindu opposes the RSS then that just means that he has no patriotism, or devotion to his religion, culture or country. Hats off to the RSS for foing what they are doing now. JAI HINDU RASHTRA!!!!
- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Mon Mar 15 22:06:20 EST 2004
//////Thats Why He is taking Films like "UNnnal Mudium Thambi"///
He took movies like Unnal Mudiyum Thambi because he didn't believe in castes not because he didn't want to be a bramin!!! And he isn't even a bramin in that movie u idiot!! he is a pillai!!!///
Correction:he didn't believe in casteism.
- From: Baba (@ 203.76.163.3)
on: Mon Mar 15 23:09:08 EST 2004
Hey Surya.......
"Of course, i don't think that muslims have ever heard of anything called birthcontrol. Each one of them have like 8 children!!! Use birth control guys"
Could you please explain the benefit that you get if you do Permenant Birth Control.
I know certain Parents who did Permanent Birthcontrol after one or two kids suffering loosing their kids in Natural Disasters and Accidents...........
- From: geno (@ 61.2.225.105)
on: Tue Mar 16 00:35:02 EST 2004
>> All the message that he wanted to say, he said through ABYANKAR. He can't say what he wants to say openly, then fanatics like u will burn his house down.
Stupid moron! 'Hey Ram' documented the happenings of the horrible partition wounds inflicted on every section of the indian society.
The grief,anger,rage that 'saketh ram' feels after his wife is brutally murdered gives rise to his feelings of revenge which stays with him as a recurring flash inside his mind until the day he meets his old friend shahrukh khan.
People who have seen the movie would know that kamal - the director documented everything - muslims killing hindus, sikhs murdering muslims, hindus maiming and murdering muslims, muslims killing sikhs..etc etc... The WHOLE death dance that EVERY section of the indian society indulged in has been honestlt portrayed.
In the middle of this death and mayhem - saketh ram - whose mind is almost permanently shocked with the loss of his beloved wife's death - seeks to heal his wounds and come to terms with his wifes loss. He avenges her death by killing that (muslim) former employee who kills his wife. At this juncture, all that he feels is grief and rage to avenge HIS personal loss(of his wife).
During this furious period, he meets abhyankar - who has more than personal avengement, he has been systematically brainwashed into blindly believe that all that is bad happening at that time in india - was due to gandhis policies - and so 'assasinating him would solve all problems of Indian(read"hindu") society - this theory which is drivelled into abhyankar by the 'hindu mahasabha' RSS activists.
Saketh ram in his confused state - is slowly and clearly brainwashed into believing that hindutva militancy line. But he has personal revulsion of death and murder(which is clearly depicted in that riot phase itself).
Thus PERSONAL grief of a man is being utilised by the RSS/ hindu mahasabha activists to foster hatred towards gandhi and his ideals.
This is well depicted when his PERSONAL friend shahrukh khan is attacked by the RSS goondas in that delhi slum. Saketh ram immediately kills everyone who attacked his friend, who happens to be a muslim. But here saketh is influenced by just his love of his friend and not influenced by the 'religion' that he belongs to.
in the course of saving his friend and his family in that slum house, saketh takes his gun and defends tat muslim household and kills numerous RSS goondas.
Saketh ram finally realises that his grief of his wife's death and the grief of his friends death is both equally affecting him and therefore LOVE is the UNIVERSAL BOND and not any projected religion.
He places his weapon(box) on gandhis feet and surrenderes to gandhi(and almost confesses his crime to him).
Note that gandhi tells him that saketh can confess to him when he undertakes a peace march to pakistan in the coming weeks(feb 1948).
The film ends with Saketh ram dying in a sewer as a symbol of atonement of his sin to have thought to assassinate gandhi and tying up with RSS goondas. Further it is shown clearly that saketh ram atones for his sin - of aligning with RSS idealogues - by locking himself up in a room which is painted fully with gandhis pictures - with gandhis slipper at his head - between 1948 and till his death (1998).
Thus Kamalhassan the creator has strongly and passionately debunks the hindutva idealogy and categorically condemns and derides those who assassinated gandhi and their murderous idealogy.
The RSS and Hindu munnani in tamilnadu even threatened him with dire consequences when "Hey Ram" was screened. As it was DMK's rule during that time Feb. 2000 - these murderous RSS thugs couldnt thwart the films release. But Kamal received numerous death threats during that time, from these hindutva thugs. The proof for that can be had from any thamizh magazine office and even if you browsed thru rediff's columns during that time(early part of 2000).
Thus, "Hey Ram" was a categorical indictment of RSS and the "hindu Mahasabha" in gandhis assassination and a strong denouement of hindutva.
Any moron who thinks otherwise can contniue his delirious funky dreams :-)
- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 16 22:00:31 EST 2004
///The RSS and Hindu munnani in tamilnadu even threatened him with dire consequences when "Hey Ram" was screened. As it was DMK's rule during that time Feb. 2000 - these murderous RSS thugs couldnt thwart the films release.///
Listen u stupid KK's anus licking bastar*! There were problems because the muslims didn't want it to come out. The reason they used was that it was anti-gandhi. Why would RSS oppse this?
///Thus, "Hey Ram" was a categorical indictment of RSS and the "hindu Mahasabha" in gandhis assassination and a strong denouement of hindutva.///
How sad, he makes something that was supposed to support something and makes it look like it opposes it.
All the message that he wanted to say, he said through ABYANKAR. He can't say what he wants to say openly, then fanatics like u will burn his house down.Any moron who thinks otherwise can contniue his delirious funky dreams :-)
And i have a question, what religion are u?
- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 16 22:04:10 EST 2004
The scene was very vividly and obviously shown to show that the muslims were killing bastar*ds. When Saketh Ram was tied up he says to the muslim, "I trusted u, and this is what u do?" Or something to that effect. And the muslims says that none of this stuff comes when it comes to his religion. so obviously it shows that the muslims are protrayed as the bad ppl.
- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 16 22:05:47 EST 2004
///Could you please explain the benefit that you get if you do Permenant Birth Control.///
I wasn't talking about permenent birth control. I was talking about using condoms and diaphrams and so on.
- From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com)
on: Tue Mar 16 22:07:19 EST 2004
///kamal exposed the RSS' feudal, vedic, brahmanical and murderous agenda in HEY RAm///
How? And he showed the muslims killing kamal's wife after like 9 of them raped her.
///RSS people are minority compared to Muslim Population in India.///
Of course, i don't think that muslims have ever heard of anything called birthcontrol. Each one of them have like 8 children!!! Use birth control guys.
///Majority of Hindus hates the principles of RSS.///
Ur way off on that u idiot!!!
///Thats Why He is taking Films like "UNnnal Mudium Thambi"///
He took movies like Unnal Mudiyum Thambi because he didn't believe in castes not because he didn't want to be a bramin!!! And he isn't even a bramin in that movie u idiot!! he is a pillai!!!
If a hindu opposes the RSS then that just means that he has no patriotism, or devotion to his religion, culture or country. Hats off to the RSS for foing what they are doing now. JAI HINDU RASHTRA!!!!
- From: geno (@ 61.1.201.172)
on: Wed Mar 17 03:43:30 EST 2004
This mentally retarded person has well exposed himself(or is it herself??!!)
People wuld now understand why this thread was started
:-)
- From: Surya (@ 169.199.224.1)
on: Wed Mar 17 15:16:47 EST 2004
This thread was started bacause i thought that hey ram was a good movie, and wanted to discuss it, after ur bullshi* got here u messed it up
- From: Surya (@ 169.199.224.1)
on: Thu Mar 18 15:34:37 EST 2004
///People wuld now understand why this thread was started///
This thread was started bacause i thought that hey ram was a good movie, and wanted to discuss it, after ur bullshi* got here u messed it up.
So ppl can see why geno came into this thread and messed it up.
- From: Surya (@ 169.199.224.1)
on: Thu Mar 18 15:35:49 EST 2004
///This mentally retarded person has well exposed himself(or is it herself??!!)///
Finally geno admits that he is a mentally retarted transavest.
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