Topic started by ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on Tue Apr 20 19:04:15 EDT 2004.
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Guys:

I would like to know how successful Kamal's VirumANdi REALLY is.

Please post here how many theatres this GREAT movie ran 100 days in TN.

Rajni fans: Please double check the data here. After all we cant trust all the data.

Responses:

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• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Tue May 25 19:55:08 EDT 2004
  
  Kumar: You need to understand ur perspective is very rare. A movie's success is based on average tamil people's view. Not only critics but also general audience feel that virumANdi has too much of violence. Lately Padmasubrhamaniam made a comment about that as well, in the stage where KH was also there. After all she is not a Rajni fan
  ;-)). For general audience KH movies are violent. I think it only impresses some special audience and no the general audience.
  
  Here is the comment of *Cyg* whom I would consider as a neutral person.
  (**Firstly, it was more gory and graphic than 'thEvar magan' a movie that was deeply disturbing in many levels. What was the initiative for this?**)
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Tue May 25 20:19:42 EDT 2004
  
  Anandraj role in Bashaa is exellently strengthen the movie, Baasha. Usually in a typical mggr movie, mgr will get two punches in his face before he start hitting the bad guy. But in Baasha, the same kind of thing has been engineered very well executed for the first time in Tamil cinema. Anandraj first makes a comment about his sister. Rajni let it go just like any 'good' brother. Then he beats him up for his brother's stupidity. Rajni let it go for the second time. Finally, when his mother and sister were 'touched' by him, Rajni beats him up like hell. Anybody would enjoy such scenes even if it involves extreme violence.
  
  
• From: Cygnus (@ pool-68-236-48-149.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Tue May 25 21:14:05 EDT 2004
  
  %%If Virumaandi is about the bad effects of mindless violence in rural villages, then I should not expect anything less.%%
  
  Kumar first of all I don't understand if this indeed WAS the premise of the movie. Did not the movie start and end with a campaign for abolishing capital punishment? Of course mindless violence was the lead in to the eventuality of the lead character but isn't the core of the movie preaching human rights in the face of death penalty?
  
  %%I think what Indian cinema needs is a rating system: I can see your point that some contents may not be suited for all audience.%%
  
  I totally support this view. virumANdi earned its "A" certification in the current system fair and square.
  
  
• From: Cyg (@ pool-68-236-36-104.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Tue May 25 21:28:33 EDT 2004
  
  %%ukw to Kumar:You need to understand ur perspective is very rare. A movie's success is based on average tamil people's view%%
  
  ukw your view is correct but then do you think film makers should dumb down the audience by betting the success of a film by the 'A,B,C' theater system?
  
  Recently, I rented Cheran' earlier movie "pandavar bhoomi" and there was one horrific scene which is the underlying event of everything happening in the movie which is otherwise quite placid. That scene was extremely gruesome and I think the movie deserved an "A" certification but it was a "U" though. Is this fair to let such movies slip by when virumAndi is being fried by "moderate" critics/viewers?
  
  Since you said I'm neutral I thought I'll display my disinterest and impartiality ; )
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Tue May 25 23:54:39 EDT 2004
  
  ukw,
  """I think it is true that chinnathambi was a bigger hit than Dalapathy. I am +ve about that. It is debatable if you compare CT that with baasha. """
  
  Was Chinnathambi more financially successful than Thalapathy & Baasha? I guess there is a difference between the financial success of a movie and the cinematic brilliance of films. A very well made movie may not neccessarily be financially successful.
  
  To me, Thalapathy will always be a better movie than Chinnathambi. And yes, there was the issue with the story of Thalapathy (Rajini's character not paying for his crimes); I suppose the death of Dhevaraj was a kind of 'punishment' for Surya: he's lost his best friend and mentor. (I don't know about 'Iyengar morals' though)
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Wed May 26 00:08:30 EDT 2004
  
  """You need to understand ur perspective is very rare. A movie's success is based on average tamil people's view. Not only critics but also general audience feel that virumANdi has too much of violence. Lately Padmasubrhamaniam made a comment about that as well, in the stage where KH was also there. After all she is not a Rajni fan
  ;-)). For general audience KH movies are violent. I think it only impresses some special audience and no the general audience. """
  
  I agree that the success of movies is eventually determined by ordinary people. And yes, they determine whether it's too violent or not. And this is where I feel ratings play a part. Some countries rate movies as well as post brief content descriptions (e.g "Contains High Level Violence" or "Coarse Language"). This way, no one can go to a movie (despite reading reviews, watching TV promos, seeing stills and posters, etc!!) and then complain that it's violent.
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Wed May 26 01:56:57 EDT 2004
  
  Cyg,
  ""Kumar first of all I don't understand if this indeed WAS the premise of the movie. Did not the movie start and end with a campaign for abolishing capital punishment?""
  
  You're right; the main issue was capital punishment; but I suppose the events leading up to it entailed violence. This was narrated by 2 people in order to show how the 2 main characters ended up in jail. If we took the narration bit out, because it was too violent, then the movie will be reduced to a 1 hour telemovie.
  
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Wed May 26 03:48:03 EDT 2004
  
  I also have the view that if violence in films is portrayed as what it is- harsh, bad, destructive- then it's achieved it's purpose, i.e. violence is no good.
  If people wince when they see vioelnce in the cinema, then it's good because they see violence as deplorable.
  
  I don't believe in uneccessary vioelnce though: I especially hate it when men slap women in movies: the worst is when they slap women to make them 'realise' how much they 'love' them. As soon as she recieves a slap, she stares blankly, with romantic music in the background. Then she keeps thinking about the slap over and over and has fond memories of the slapper. Goodness me!!!
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Wed May 26 13:40:10 EDT 2004
  
  **That scene was extremely gruesome and I think the movie (Pandavar bhoomi) deserved an "A" certification**
  
  Very true. I would agree with that!
  
  I would say, Rajni's Dalapathy (burning a man alive and cutting a hand of cop) deserves an 'A' for the violence.
  
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Wed May 26 13:40:30 EDT 2004
  
  *film makers should dumb down the audience by betting the success of a film by the 'A,B,C' theater system? *
  
  It all depends what the film-maker's intention is. Whether it is just business to make big bucks or u wish to impress or send a message to the society? Here is the trouble, in hollywood u could do both in the same movie since oscar-winning movies do succeed commercially as well. But, sadly, it is not YET the case when it comes to kOdambakkam.
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Wed May 26 13:53:02 EDT 2004
  
  **Was Chinnathambi more financially successful than Thalapathy?**
  
  Kumar: Chinna thambi was a low-budget movie and P. Vasu was not popular before that movie, when compared to Mega stars' Rajni and mammooty together in a critically acclaimed director (Nayagan, agni natchathirm and mouna raagam pugazh) Manirathnam's highly hyped movie, Dalpathy. Chinna thambi was an unexpected success with a low investment but they invested a lot in Dalpathy and that is why CT easily beats Dalapathy in the 'commercial success'.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 61.95.227.150) on: Thu May 27 02:41:28 EDT 2004
  
  :-)
  
  chinna thambi was showed for nearly 300 days in cbe, whereas thalapathy hardly touched 100 days.
  
  i can say, mastero is the hero in chinnathambi - of course third hero in thalapathy too... :-)
  
  the success of songs made chinnathambi a mega hit.
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: geno (@ ) on: Wed Oct 27 02:56:13
  
  ukw!
  
  Where are you??
  
  come back :=)
  
  
• From: suresh (@ ras-chn-145.227.95.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Wed Oct 27 08:03:37 EDT 2004
  
  :-)
  
  yeah... ukw....
  
  come back... plsssssss... it is all new over here... :-)
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: geno (@ 61.2.33.4) on: Wed Oct 27 13:00:36 EDT 2004
  
  ukw yEN romba alattikarAnga?!!!
  
  neer adithu neer vilakAthu vArungaL ukw!!!
  
  

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