Topic started by SAM (@ hse-toronto-ppp305438.sympatico.ca) on Tue Oct 7 11:02:13 .
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JAFFNA TAMILS ARE ORIGINALLY FROM MALABAR COST OF KERALA....THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH INDIAN TAMILS.TILL THE 19TH CENTURY THEY WERE CALLD MALABARIES THEN THE BRITISHERS CHANGE THAT NAME TO TAMILS.

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• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Tue Oct 7 14:12:52 EDT 2003
  
  Portuguese records mention Jaffna population as Malabaris because they brought thousands of people from Malabar to the tobacco and chilli plantations in Jaffna.
  
  The same people later bacame Vellala of jaffna.
  
  
• From: SAM (@ hse-toronto-ppp304775.sympatico.ca) on: Tue Oct 7 16:19:20 EDT 2003
  
  THANK YOU KARTHI YOU ARE WELL INFORMED!
  
  
• From: Thangavelu (@ hse-toronto-ppp295957.sympatico.ca) on: Fri Oct 10 15:18:55 EDT 2003
  
  The Thamils of Ceranadu, now Kerala, are not different from Thamils of Thamil Nadu and Illankai.
  
  The word Malabar means a hill country. This name was given by the Arabs to the Thamils of ceranadu. Later on the Portuguese used the same word followed by the Dutch and the English. The reason why the Thamils of Thamil Nadu and Illankai were called Malabars is due to the language they spoke viz Thamil. Because Thamil Nadu Thamils and Ceylon Thamils spoke Thamil they were also called Malabars. There is no other reason for calling them Malabars. The armies of Cholas and Pandyas which invaded Illankai from time to time consisted of soldiers from ceranadu as well. Most of them settled and remained back when Chola and Pandya rule declined. Those who remained in the central and southern part of Illankai embraced Buddhism and became Sinhalese. Those in the north got absorbed with the earlier Thamils. This is the reason why the habits and customs of the Jaffna people are close to Thamils of ceranadu than Thamil Nadu.
  
  Idiyappam, Pittu and Appam not very common in Thamil Nadu are very common both in Jaffna and Kerala.
  
  Many Sinhalese women look like Keralites, even the way they dress.
  
  
• From: R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Fri Oct 10 16:51:21 EDT 2003
  
  But many people dont realize that such coomon features of language idiom, food habbits, dressing etc is also common amongst the Tamils of Ramanathapuram and Thirunelvelly.
  
  Indian Tamil is Reunion are still refered by the French as Malabars
  
  Malabari is a common term for both Tamils and Mayalees by French, Dutch and danish colonial documentation.
  
  BUT SO WHAT ? AND WHO GIVES A DAMN about it anyway.
  
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sat Oct 11 12:27:09 EDT 2003
  
  Thangavelu (@ hse-toronto-ppp295957.sympatico.ca
  
  There is a place called Malabar in Kerala coast. So, your story is not true and un-acceptable.
  
  Ramanathapuram and Thirunelvely once under the king of Travancore.
  
  
  
• From: SAM (@ hse-toronto-ppp303339.sympatico.ca) on: Mon Oct 13 12:04:53 EDT 2003
  
  MY POINT IS JAFFNA TAMILS(Vellala)ARE OF ORIGIN FROM KERALA RATHER THAN TAMIL NADU.
  
  
• From: R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Wed Oct 15 17:04:53 EDT 2003
  
  "MY POINT IS JAFFNA TAMILS(Vellala)ARE OF ORIGIN FROM KERALA RATHER THAN TAMIL NADU"
  
  Yes, Yes but Kaikolar or Senguthar are from Kanchi via Bihar via Central Asia via North Pole just like the avesta says!!!
  
  
• From: Singapore's Education Ministry Launches CD Roms to teach Tamil (@ cache162.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Wed Oct 15 18:41:07 EDT 2003
  
  Singapore's Education Ministry Launches CD Roms to teach Tamil
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/01/stories/2002030102020500.htm
  
  
  Singapore Ministry of Education web site
  http://www1.moe.edu.sg/namnaadi
  
  
• From: Siddha Raja (@ cache162.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Wed Oct 15 19:37:10 EDT 2003
  
  # From: dfa
  
  Let me try speak in Tamil:
  
  illa, mella, gilla, samber,idliuppam-lavada,inadepopa, wapola,beach,figure site pakriya de mutale, innapa, ung umma upale uppule, dama dum duumdmlj
  tanga gulelm,mule, takka tambi, anna ,alla maade sadde sullu pully tilly i am going pampai, neiu varadiya..
  
  How is this tribal tamil stuff?
  please comment with love. ##
  
  
  You know Thambi, It's A Good Try,
  Improve More Tamil Speaking Session in your hometown Chennai with your Tamil Masters.
  
  To be Singapore Citizen, You know yaa!
  You need Tamil as one of the official language to qualify you as Indian origin for our Citizen Sponsorship for you.
  
  Forget yaa! about your Hindi, its good yaa! for nothing and Good only yaa! in some Economically Backward North Indian Hindi States like Bihar, UP MP and New Delhi.
  
  As A HINDIAN Citizen yaa! and Hindian Passport yaa! you can't go anywhere without visa yaa!
  
  No point yaa! waiting in line outside High Commissions, yaa! as Hindian...
  
  As a Singaporean you can be travelling Visa-Free / no restrictions to USA, Canada, EEC UK, Australia New Zealand and Japan. Stay as long as like and work and leave when you like..
  
  Singapore's Education Ministry Launches CD Roms to teach Tamil
  
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/01/stories/2002030102020500.htm
  
  
  Singapore Ministry of Education web site
  http://www1.moe.edu.sg/namnaadi
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Wed Oct 15 22:24:50 EDT 2003
  
  R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net
  
  Sengunthas or kaikola from Kanchi. Have you any doubt?
  
  Further, Jaffna Vellalas came from Kerala with Portugeuse for tobacco plantations. That is also true.
  
  Read portugeuse records if you can!
  
  
• From: R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Tue Oct 21 11:21:47 EDT 2003
  
  If you go to Kanchi, you would see that many of the shops are owned by Telugus and the signs are in Telugu. If you go to the weavers who claim to be Sengunthar, they too speak Telugu at home and Tamil outside.
  
  Then on Thurston’s book on castes I found that Sengunthar or kaikolar have their fellow caste members in Andhra and have settled down in Kanchi during the vijayanagar rule. Also they intermarried with Andhra Sengunthars. I have forgotton what is the name for them in Telugu.
  
  In an article called People of Jaffa, T.E Tambiah says that many Andhraites from Andhra and TN were settled in Jaffna during the Jaffna kingdom days to organize the Silk weaving craft. Jaffna Kingdom was once paying tribute to Vijayanagar Empire.
  
  Many Telugus in Tamil nadu who have made to begin to call themselves as Mudaliars. I know many Baliga Naidus who call them as Thondaimanadal Mudaiars.
  
  Also many Telugus have come to SL and identified with either Sinhalese or Tamils.
  
  
  
• From: velu (@ 203.115.31.44) on: Fri Oct 24 05:07:29 EDT 2003
  
  Sengunthars may be the Telegu equivalent of Tamil weaver caste Paraiyans.
  Mudali is the same as Pallava in Sinhalese Mul +Dalu= Mudalu=Mudali
  Sozhia vellala=Chola
  Pandia Vellala=Pandya
  Kongu Vellala=Konguttavan=Kongu Rashtra
  Pallava Vellala=Mudali Vellala=Pallavas
  
  So it seems the rural irrigated agricultural landowning groups evolved from Right Hand Jain Chetties in the urban centres of the south started to carry the names of ultimate feudal overlords for whom they paid taxes and organized security measure.
  So sometimes Royalty and degraded Brahmanas came to the ranks of these landowner in the irrigated tracts of land near traditional kingdoms.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sat Oct 25 04:41:44 EDT 2003
  
  Velu alias Jayapala...
  You tried to tell that your Vellalas are brahmans but you miserabley failed.
  
  Further Senguntas started WEAVING as a full time job after VijayaNagar Empire.
  
  Can you tell why your low caste Vellalas use the title MUDALI(YAR) which is a caste name for Sengunthas.?
  
  Parayans which is the caste of ThiruValluvar enjoyed better positions in the Pallava era than the Vellalas.
  
  Your FAIR Vellala is a mix of brahmans and Senguntas otherwise you cannot get the fair color.
  
  //Sengunthars may be the Telegu equivalent of Tamil weaver caste Paraiyans.
  Mudali is the same as Pallava in Sinhalese Mul +Dalu= Mudalu=Mudali
  Sozhia vellala=Chola
  Pandia Vellala=Pandya
  Kongu Vellala=Konguttavan=Kongu Rashtra
  Pallava Vellala=Mudali Vellala=Pallavas//
  hahahahahahah
  
  So Devendra Kula Vellala is Higher than your Vellalas...hahahaha
  
  Vellalas became wealthy during the British rule only. This does not indicate that you belong to a HIGH caste. During the British times only your Vellalas stole the MUDALI for them. Vellalas caste name is PILLAI! So, you are a VELU PILLAI!
  
  Parayans are the weavers for low castes like Kallan, marawan Agampadiyan and vellala!
  
  Your Sinhala explanation is a COMEDY!
  Honthatta Sihala Vyakarana Igena Ganna!
  
  Are you trying here to teach Sinhala and Tamil? But you showed you are very much incompetant in both languages.
  
  
  
• From: aravind (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sat Oct 2 10:16:15
  
  the devendra vellalars have proved their past glory or their rulers.
  
  
• From: veeran (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sat Oct 2 10:23:47 EDT 2004
  
  the jaffna vellalans are the low castes.this is true.madappalliyar,pallar(mallar)kallar maravar agamudayar some malayali are calling thenselves,that they are vellalars.devendrakulavellalars are better than jaffna saambar vellalars.
  
  
• From: aravind (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sat Oct 2 10:35:21 EDT 2004
  
  very actually, the jaffna vellalar resemble under the Vellalan`s name.but they together or asembled from madappalliyar,pallar(mallar)kallar,maravar,agamudayar.really they are not high castes.the vellalar`s were only two percent from other castes.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-rtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Oct 2 13:24:18 EDT 2004
  
  Mr. Sam the Fool welcome to Thamizh Forum.
  
  First of all Malayalists are Thamizhars with a little corrupted accent of Thamizh. Second of Thamizhars of Yaazhppaanam (Jaffna) are Thamizhars. The name Yaazh stand for the Thamizhans ancient musical instrument Yaazh and the word Paanam comes from the Thamizh word 'paa' which mean Poem and it's also the root word of the word 'paatu' which mean song. Yaazhppaanam could either mean Land of Yaazhp paanars! or the land of Yaazh.
  
  
• From: oh (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sun Oct 17 09:26:38
  
  the jaffna vellalars are washing the toilet every european countries.sakliyas are better than them.because,sakliyars working openly and they accept there low level works. but, the jaffna vellalars(origin of Madappalliyar,pallar,maravar,vellalar,sinhalagovians.)are hiding there works for 200 years.
  
  
• From: yokan (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sat Nov 6 15:00:01
  
  every one must know,in basicaly all peoples are men.no castes.
  
  
• From: oh (@ fw1.iib.ch) on: Sat Nov 6 15:01:59 EST 2004
  
  Mr yokan! in which planet do you live?
  
  
• From: Premraj (@ 062016150116.customer.alfanett.no) on: Thu Nov 18 13:57:29
  
  hei fools jaffna tamils are real tamils they are not malayalis, malayalais are tamisl who has become malaalias.
  
  
  
• From: davue (@ tandon-lpt) on: Fri Nov 19 03:08:12 EST 2004
  
  thamizh not tamil
  
  

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