Topic started by Periyar Arivar (@ cache-rc05.proxy.aol.com) on Sat May 10 23:54:32 .
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The purpose of this thread is to identify the countries that lead the world in the development of new/ technological Tamil words. If a new word is not a pure Tamil word, we will attempt to develop a pure Tamil word.

Hence, I kindly request the respondents to identify the country where they had their education.

Let us start with the following ten words:

(1) Calculus
(2) Coordinate
(3) Switch
(4) Probability
(5) Consultant
(6) Axiom
(7) Efficiency
(8) Power
(9) Thermodynamics
(10) Tangent

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: makizhnan (@ l-lh121-4g.cavern.carleton.ca) on: Sun May 18 23:38:39 EDT 2003
  
  "kAN(t) gno(l) know(e) gno(g) - know, sight, "
  wisdom
  
  I don't think these words sound similar
  
  kAN, no, and nO
  Just because they've K or G sound in script in the begginning of the word doesn't led to be similar word!
  
  Arivar,
  I think mUlakam is the word that's still in use in SL. Also for Radiation I have heard 'kathirAkkam' being used too!?
  
  other_side:
  pant: kAl + thukil = kaRthukil = kaRRkil?
  
  cell phone: nakar pEci (mobile phone), cellidaththup pEci (Kumudam's coinage), I also heard of another Tamil word coined base on the cellular aspect! but I forgot.
  
  bike: mithi vaNdi, uLakUrthi (my coninage he he)
  
  
• From: other_side (@ 209.166.128.18) on: Mon May 19 13:34:50 EDT 2003
  
  makizhnan,
  nice try to coin new words :)
  
  i feel that bike should never be called as mithi vandi... you dont exert any foot force u c..
  
  cellidaththup is a very bad equalent i guess it is like "thinathanthi" calling itself as "daily thanthi" in english :)
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  makizhnan are u in carlton.i need some info about carlton.can i contact you ??
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• From: Periyar Arivar (@ outside4.jacobs.com) on: Wed May 21 19:59:45 EDT 2003
  
  makizhnan,
  
  // Sun May 18 23:18:58 EDT 2003
  
  KaN also means black! So since most of our eyes were black, the word also began to be used to denote eyes.//
  
  The original Tamil word of mathematics is eN. KaNitham is also a Tamil word, but developed later. There are other words available for Mathematics in vadamozi. If kaNitham word is used in Sanskrit, it is either borrowed from Tamil or developed simultaneouly.
  
  I am not aware that kaN was ever used to denote black. But the word “kari” was used to denote black. Kari also means elephant, ash etc.
  
  // samam may be of forign origin, thirukkuraL too had few foreign words such as nAmam// (
  
  I will agree that samam is of alien origin. However, it has been used as a Tamil word over 2 millennium years. The following pure Tamil word can be used for equal:
  
  (1) oddai
  (2) onru
  
  //I think mUlakam is the word that's still in use in SL. Also for Radiation I have heard 'kathirAkkam' being used too!?//
  
  Thanks for confirming the Tamil word used for element in SL. When I was studying “kathivEchchu” was the word used for radiation.
  
  
  Other words being discussed:
  
  Pant – nELkkARsaddai
  Cell phone – tholaipEsi kalam (Various countries may use different words)
  Bike – mithivaNdi
  
  
  WE HAVE YET TO COMPLETE THE REMAINING WORDS ON THE SECOND SET OF 10 WORDS.
  
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Thu May 22 01:37:04 EDT 2003
  
  Perhaps PA, if you could give a short meaning of the words in the 2nd set. There may be some progress. I would like to know the context in which these words are used!
  
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ outside4.jacobs.com) on: Thu May 22 18:41:15 EDT 2003
  
  Idiappam,
  
  // Thu May 22 01:37:04 EDT 2003
  
  Perhaps PA, if you could give a short meaning of the words in the 2nd set. There may be some progress. I would like to know the context in which these words are used! //
  
  Per your request, words that need to be resolved are provided with clues:
  
  (2.3) Solid Geometry - Mathematics of 3-dimensional objects such as tetrahedron, etc.
  (2.5) Neutralization – The chemical process in which acidic and base solutions are added to neutralize each other.
  (2.7) Asymptote – A 2-D curve approaches this line but never intersects.
  (2.9) convection – One of the 3 ways heat can be transferred.
  (2.10) directrix - The reference line in geometry to form ellipse, parabola, etc.
  
  I hope this be adequate to resolve these words. As I have iterated before, I am interested in knowing the Tamil words used in various countries for an English word.
  
  
• From: makizhnan (@ l-sa507-7g.cavern.carleton.ca) on: Fri May 23 19:56:05 EDT 2003
  
  "i feel that bike should never be called as mithi vandi..."
  Well I thought you meant bicycle. But for motorbikes (and scooters) you can say IruruLi(two-wheeler)
  
  "cellidaththup is a very bad equalent i guess it is like "thinathanthi" calling itself as "daily thanthi" in english :) "
  Well it means cell(go) + idam(place) + thup(vikuthi) + pEci(phone) so literal translation is 'wherever you go-phone'!
  
  Arivar,
  I thought 'caddai' is of Aryan language origin. I don't know if I am wrong. So I decided to use the word 'thukil' (cloth/dress) a older Tamil word.
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-mtc-ah06.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 26 00:26:32 EDT 2003
  
  Dear makizhnan,
  
  // Fri May 23 19:56:05 EDT 2003
  
  I thought 'caddai' is of Aryan language origin. I don't know if I am wrong. So I decided to use the word 'thukil' (cloth/dress) a older Tamil word.//
  
  I believe that ‘saddai’ is from the Tamil verb ‘sAththu” which means cover, enclose, etc.
  
  
• From: makizhnan (@ l-lh121-13g.cavern.carleton.ca) on: Tue May 27 23:02:52 EDT 2003
  
  Arivar,
  It seems like either no here has completed Tamil medium school or has forgotten what they learnt. So why don't you just complete the list by giving the Tamil terms for the following words:
  (2.3) Solid Geometry
  (2.5) Neutralization
  (2.7) Asymptote
  (2.9) convection
  (2.10) directrix
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-rl04.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed May 28 21:11:11 EDT 2003
  
  Makizhnan,
  
  // Tue May 27 23:02:52 EDT 2003
  
  It seems like either no here has completed Tamil medium school or has forgotten what they learnt. So why don't you just complete the list by giving the Tamil terms for the following words: //
  
  I am disappointed to learn that no country in world is making any serious effort for the development of Tamil in the technological field.
  
  Let me provide the Tamil words that were used when I was in School:
  
  (2.3) Solid Geometry - thiNma kEththirakaNitham*
  (2.5) Neutralization - nadunilaiyAkkam
  (2.7) Asymptote – aNukukOdu, aNukuvarai
  (2.9) convection - mERkAvukai
  (2.10) directrix – seluththi
  
  It appears that we could make improvement on the Tamil word for Geometry. I have some idea but I would like to hear from the participants. All other words are pure Tamil words.
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Thu May 29 00:00:58 EDT 2003
  
  Hi PA,
  
  I thought you were interested to know the terms as they are used in various countries. In Singapore Science and Mathematics are thought in English. But I personnaly feel that the following words are nice:
  
  Geometry - vadiviyal
  solid geometry - kattu vadiviyal - kattu = a formwork
  neutralization - mattuppaduthal - mattu = mattam = level
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-mtc-ah06.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu May 29 22:13:25 EDT 2003
  
  
  Dear Idiappam.
  
  // Thu May 29 00:00:58 EDT 2003
  
  I thought you were interested to know the terms as they are used in various countries. In Singapore Science and Mathematics are thought in English. But I personnaly feel that the following words are nice:
  
  Geometry - vadiviyal
  solid geometry - kattu vadiviyal - kattu = a formwork
  neutralization - mattuppaduthal - mattu = mattam = level //
  
  Even though the words that you have listed are composed of pure Tamil root words, I would suggest that the following give better representation of the English words:
  
  (a) Geometry - nilaikkaNitham [I believe that “nilai” (location) will indicate Geo- than “vadivu”.]
  
  (b) Solid does not necessarily mean that being formed by binding. Hence, I would say that “thiNmam” is the appropriate Tamil word.
  
  (c) Neutralization – In this process acidic or alkali property is neutralized. Hence, “nadunilaiyAkkam” is the most appropriate word.
  
  In Singapore, is it mandatory for Tamil students to learn Tamil until Grade 10?
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Fri May 30 02:07:29 EDT 2003
  
  In Singapore it is mandatory to learn 'Mother tongue' up to Pre University.
  
  Students have to pass 'Mother Tongue' for entry to Tertiary Institutions - even it they do engineering.
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ outside4.jacobs.com) on: Fri May 30 18:43:12 EDT 2003
  
  Idiappam,
  
  // Fri May 30 02:07:29 EDT 2003
  
  In Singapore it is mandatory to learn 'Mother tongue' up to Pre University.
  
  Students have to pass 'Mother Tongue' for entry to Tertiary Institutions - even it they do engineering.//
  
  I am encouraged to learn that Singapore requires proficiency in mother tongue as a pre-requisite for university admission. Sri Lanka implemented the above requirement in 1960s. In 1970s, general science degree and arts faculty students were taught in either Tamil or Sinhala.
  
  
• From: ranga (@ toronto-hse-ppp3702400.sympatico.ca) on: Fri May 30 22:23:44 EDT 2003
  
  Can anyone mention the tamil words for the following:
  
  (a) First Normal Form
  (b) Second Normal Form
  (c) Primary Key
  (d) Foreign Key
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-rl04.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Jun 6 22:32:13 EDT 2003
  
  
  In order to develop the appropriate Tamil word, adequate knowledge on the exact use of the English word is required. Since I am not aware of the situation where these words are used, my translation may not be correct. However, let me try:
  
  (a) First Normal Form – muthal iyalpu nilai
  (b) Second Normal Form – iraNdAvathu iyalpu nilai
  (c) Primary Key – thalai thirappu
  (d) Foreign Key – veLinAddu thirappu
  
  
• From: VEDAM (@ ) on: Fri Sep 3 11:03:48
  
  Calculus - நுண்கணிதம் -nuNkanidham - literally "micro"maths
  Coordinate - ஆயம் - aayam
  Switch - விசை - visai
  Probability - நிகழ்தகவு -nigazhthagavu
  Consultant - ஆலோசகர் - aalosagar
  Axiom - அடிகோள் - adikOL
  Efficiency - செயல்திறன் - ceyalthiRan
  (same word used for performance)
  Power - திறன், மின் திறன், thiRan (general), minthiRan (electric power)
  Thermodynamics - வெப்ப இயக்கியல் - veppa iyakkiyal
  Tangent - தொடுகோடு - thodukOdu
  
  BEST TAMIL TECHNICAL GLOSSARY
  http://www.thozhilnutpam.com/chollagaraathi.htm
  
  
• From: RC (@ pd9e34a4d.dip.t-dialin.net) on: Sat Sep 4 01:29:25 EDT 2004
  
  "(d) Foreign Key – veLinAddu thirappu "
  
  veLinaadu = Foreign country
  
  A key for a foreign state?
  
  
• From: RC (@ p50861d70.dip.t-dialin.net) on: Sat Sep 4 04:25:39 EDT 2004
  
  Though I am not mastering Tamil I think something that sounds like piRa cAvi could fit better.
  
  

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