Topic started by Question (@ 203.199.240.151) on Fri Mar 29 11:29:38 .
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Nowadays, big movie halls in tamilnadu are showing more Hindi movies and even english movies and refusing to telecast Tamil Movies. And tamil society is being washed by a big dose of Hindi Channels (Zee TV,Star TV ,Sony TV) etc and groups like Hindi Prachar saba are preaching Hindi in Tamil people. Are tamils aware of the new forms of Hindi imposition? Why are we still keeping silent?

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• From: Sugrutha (@ bgp450202bgs.avenel01.nj.comcast.net) on: Thu Jun 27 10:35:35
  
  Visu,
  
  Isint there a similar story about a dance competition between Shiva and Parvathi ? The competition is even, so finally the former strikes a posture that is not feminine and Parvathi declines to follow suit and would rather accept defeat. In fact that was her victory. That she did not fall for the trap and make a fool of herself.
  
  The problem is men and women have different strengths. They are the superiors in their own fields. But Tamil movies like dwell on the areas of male strength alone and repeatedly show women as inferiors.
  
  In Mannan, Manorama is the character that epitomises female strenth. How the love of a woman can make mincemeat of any arrogance - male or female variety.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 202.142.90.107) on: Thu Jun 27 10:53:05
  
  We tamils need Masala,
  Aaatam, Paattam, Kootthu,Kutthu, Kondaattam, etc.
  
  ""repeatedly show women as inferiors""
  
  But Vadivelu is always beaten up by Kovaisarala.
  Those two really make a good comedy.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.197.239.1) on: Thu Jun 27 11:24:11
  
  Sugrutha:
  Very good posts. Those URLs were equally good.
  
  >>I am not sure if people are not ready to accept such women or whether our producers and heroes insist on keeping Tamil cinema very male chauvanistic<<
  Neither. It is just due to one bad precedent setting mould for the next to be cast. Even long back movies like AvaL appadi Than, avargaL showed women being as capable of an independence and freewill as men. The rise of Male Chauvinism in Tamil films, other than the Rajini formula ones, could perhaps be linked to rise in feudal movies. Feudalism, Machismo and Patriarchy go together.
  
  I find the subtle male chauvinism to be more harmful than overt ones. Like, a person watching Rajini movie is more likely to be aware that it is just a formula, so will he after watching a NattAmai. But, how about the case where a widowed Bhanupriya is shown as someone who would necessarily have to get into a wedlock with Rajini (Dhalapathi) because the benevolent Patriarch always decides for all around, without asking for a confirmation ? For that matter, I found the handling of Simran by Madhavan (Kannathil Mutthamittal), or of Madhubala by Arvindsamy (Roja) more condescending on women. And, that could do more harm than the manifest ones.
  
  Ranga,
  I am at 180 degree variance on your preferring Hindi movies more than Tamil. My interest in Hindi movies are now restricted to a very few directors that will necessarily exclude Yash Chopra and Subhash Ghai. A Hrishikesh Mukherjee can never come up in Hindi (he admitted it too) now as he might in Tamil. The relatively fresh crop of directors in Tamil, including Bala, Cheran, Thankar Pachan are extremely talented, and in fact well equipped to even dislodge a Mani Ratnam. There are no Dream Merchants in Tamil film industry now nor are there Showmen. Such terminologies themselves have been rendered obsolete and increasingly meaningless. You should view SeThu, Azhagi, Kutty or Kannaththil MutthamittAl to conclude that Hindi will never see a remake of any of them.
  
  
• From: siddharth (@ user-2ive6ie.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Thu Jun 27 11:45:56
  
  Dr. Srini:
  I am amazed that a person can have that much knowledge of Tamil Cinema. You have a bright future and are going places in Tamil Nadu. I on the other hand was completely misled and concentrated in Math, biochem, economics etc instead of Cinema and so I am a failure in T.N. and will not be able to survive there.I am proud that there are Tamil intellects like you. Dr. Raam Kumar Nadar will excuse you even if you cannot make coffee.
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.197.239.1) on: Thu Jun 27 11:51:09
  
  Dr.Evil:
  What are you doing here ? What's happening to your advanced intellectual act of drinking Coffee ever since you were incapacitated to know whether Coffee lies in seeds or leaves ?
  
  
• From: visu (@ 202.9.183.151) on: Thu Jun 27 11:51:31
  
  Isint there a similar story about a dance competition between Shiva and Parvathi ? The competition is even, so finally the former strikes a posture that is not feminine and Parvathi declines to follow suit and would rather accept defeat. In fact that was her victory. That she did not fall for the trap and make a fool of herself. ****
  i also know that story of shiva removing his kundalams by his toes. parvathi couldnt do it bcos it is a shame for even goddess. but if parvathi did the pose, it is shame for shiva only.
  
  i didnt want to make parrallel of rajini and lord.
  how abouth thirumal is in sayanam while lakshmi is massaging the feet?
  ***Vadivelu is always beaten up by Kovaisarala****
  old movies u can see manorama and nagesh. this must be happening in most of the families.we males want unrealistic things in movies to have vicarious pleasures.
  some are
  1.fighting scenes
  2.song scenes
  3.good triumphs in the end
  4.heroine submitting to hero fully and the ideal pair
  5.firstnight scene where wife falls to husband's feet. coming with big milk sombu.
  
  anyone can add?
  
  
• From: Milton (@ lunar-gw.zapsurf.com.sg) on: Thu Jun 27 13:49:48
  
  Visu,
  We can add some points from this thread
  
  http://forumhub.com/tfilms/8703.9638.06.17.28.html
  
  
  
• From: Ganesh Math (@ 203.197.142.162) on: Fri Jun 28 01:13:56
  
  Sugrutha,
  >>But Mannan ends with Khushboo replacing Vijayashanthi
  Do I see another die-hard Rajini fan here? :-))
  Tell me this. Why at all should Khushboo replace Vijayashanthi in the first place? From the beginning, Vijayashanthi is being portrayed as a highly ambitious woman whose only interests lie in reaching newer heights and keeping her company at the top.
  It is understandable if she repents her arrogant attitude towards Rajini, but I don't understand why should she be shown as giving up her company and sending her husband off with lunch bag in the last scene.
  Kushboo, has had a love failure with our great hero. So, she has "nothing" left in her life and has no other choice than taking over the company. There is another subtle male chauvinism here. You have to see her elevation in this background.
  She gets a job that she doesn't deserve just because she cannot be fit into any other natural scheme of things because of her love failure with our great hero and also because the deserving one is no longer eligible since she has "reformed" and has to live with her husband "happily".
  What a blatant male chauvinism! And, you are using it as a justification!
  
  
  >>Of course the arrogant woman character was prepostetously exaggerated for the Rajini formula
  Actually, I don't mind such exaggeratations as they are part and parcel of most of the Tamil movies. I am enraged only by the level to which these film makers stoop and portray women in such a poor light just in order to boost the image of heros like Rajini.
  Rajinikanth can do well without these. With the kind of fan following he has, he can definitely make movies without these stupidities, without affecting its commercial value even a bit.
  
  
  Srini, You may be right with respect to Roja. But, subtle male chauvinism in Kannathil Muthamittal? Beats me! Maniratnam is pretty consistent in portraying Madhavan's character and his handling of Simran cannot merely be seen as a chauvinistic one. Remember his snubbing his brother-in-law(No need for your free advice) or even his conversations with Simran's father.
  Madhavan-Simran romance in the flashback in the beatiful background of Rahman's brilliant number "Sattena nanaindhadhu" is another thiraikkaaviyam
  
  >>You should view SeThu, Azhagi, Kutty or Kannaththil MutthamittAl to conclude that Hindi will never see a remake of any of them
  Nail on the head!
  
  BTW Srini, saakkadaikkul vizha ungalukkum aasai varalaama? Hope you get what I am saying.
  
  
• From: Ganesh Math (@ 203.197.142.162) on: Fri Jun 28 01:27:46
  
  Sugrutha, I read your post again. I get a feeling that I have given a unnecessarily long rejoinder to couple of things THAT you just passingly mentioned in your post! I stand by my statements, but could have avoided the nitpickings! Sorry about that!
  
  
• From: Srini (@ 203.197.239.1) on: Fri Jun 28 03:08:00
  
  Ganesh Math:
  Thanks. Vizhaamal irukka ThAn aasai, sila samayangaLil . . . eninum, suttikAttiyaTharku mikka nanRi.
  
  Somehow, I felt the role of Simran didn't its due, for all the large heartedness and focus, and Madhavan's role using her more as an incidental accompaniment to his key pursuits. Well, my idea was not to review KM per se, but to underscore the point that subtle chauvinism is even more dangerous than the manifest ones.
  
  
• From: Ganesh Math (@ 203.197.142.162) on: Fri Jun 28 04:40:04
  
  Srini, I got your point. But, the movie tries to focus on the kid's point of view more than that of Madhavan or Simran. Madhavan's pursuit is least important in the movie. So, I didn't really perceive any chauvinism even in the minor flaw that you pointed out.
  Anyway, I agree with you in that subtle chauvinism is dangerous. But, the overt displays also need outright rejection. I can't stand someone glorifying movies like Mannan where the main theme of the movie is all about degrading woman. And, Rajini certainly doesn't need these cheap story lines for his movies.
  
  
• From: Tamilan (@ 24-29-107-120.nyc.rr.com) on: Sat Jun 29 01:51:48
  
  I cant belive u guys...I told u in so many threads that in bollywood forum those so called white indians r dissing us by saying we southindians are dark n ugly especially Tamil pple and nobody cares???damn!! for people who care...go to BOLLYWOODWORLD.COM/forums and then go to General topic and click on Beauty Ques....PLEASE
  
  
• From: Onlooker (@ dsl-201-128-123-186.prod-infinitum.com.mx) on: Sun Feb 29 13:50:42
  
  Hindi fever is catching up in Tamilnadu, every one is running in the rat race of learning hindi to achieve higher social status.
  
  
• From: doubt (@ 203.101.36.15) on: Sat Mar 6 02:33:57 EST 2004
  
  Tamil is now dead language
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Sat Mar 6 03:22:49 EST 2004
  
  //Tamil is now dead language//
  
  And that is why, anti-Tamil Mr doubt, is still loitering around in a TAMIL forum on the internet!
  
  
• From: Harish Kumar (@ 203-195-203-203.now-india.net.in) on: Sat Mar 6 05:15:35 EST 2004
  
  Cant we block these anti-tamil stooges here ?
  
  
• From: ANTI (@ 61.247.242.208) on: Sat Mar 6 07:41:49 EST 2004
  
  But anti-tamil stooges don't find better place to shi*t than this.
  
  
• From: banner putter machala barotha (@ 203.101.36.165) on: Sat Mar 6 15:05:58 EST 2004
  
  
  Most of Thamils now love to eat
  banner butther machala with barotha ( this is pure prounciation of paneer butter masala, parantha in divine classic Tamil) and beer remaining in cheap ladge with AIDS infected sex workers with guspu photo and siliku foto in their purses.
  
  
  
• From: Lollu (@ 148.233.120.49) on: Sun Mar 7 12:23:01 EST 2004
  
  Can you find any Tamil name here?
  (only scientist with fake community certificate in Indian contest and with fake interview in foreign countries)
  
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