Topic started by Periyar Arivar (@ spider-tq054.proxy.aol.com) on Mon Feb 4 23:54:08 .
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I have learned in several references that aRivaR are the original Tamil priests in ancient Tamil Kingdoms prior to the arrival of Vedic Brahmins. They were the most respected community in Tamizhaham.
aRivar were supposed to have known the past, present, and future. They vehemently opposed the arrival of Vedic Brahmins to Tamizhaham. This community had disappeared with the beginning of the Tamil Saiva Religion in sixth century AD.
Every nation on the earth has/ had its own priests. Unfortunately, few individuals in this forum are promoting the view that Tamils did not have any priest prior to the arrival of Vedic Brahmins from North India. They are absolutely wrong.
One could find several references to aRivaR in tholkAppiyam and I have listed an instance herein:
“kazivinum nikazvinum ethivinum vazi koLa
nallavai uraiththalum allavai kadithalum
sevilikku uriya Akum enpa.
solliya kiLavi aRivarkkum uriya.”
Please note that “sevili” and “kiLavi” mean foster-mother and words, respectively. Other words are easily understandable.
When VaLLuvan says anthaNar, it could be aRivar, pArpanar, pulaiyar or any other Tamil priest. It could even refer to Jain priests.
Majority of the modern day Tamil Nadu Brahmins is descendent of Tamils who had converted into Brahmins due to Agama tradition. This is one of the major differences between Agama and Vedic traditions. Veda strictly prohibits this conversion.
It is unfortunate that the Vedic champions in this forum cannot distinguish between Veda and Agama.
I have learned in several references that aRivaR are the original Tamil priests in ancient Tamil Kingdoms prior to the arrival of Vedic Brahmins. They were the most respected community in Tamizhaham.
aRivar were supposed to have known the past, present, and future. They vehemently opposed the arrival of Vedic Brahmins to Tamizhaham. This community had disappeared with the beginning of the Tamil Saiva Religion in sixth century AD.
Every nation on the earth has/ had its own priests. Unfortunately, few individuals in this forum are promoting the view that Tamils did not have any priest prior to the arrival of Vedic Brahmins from North India. They are absolutely wrong.
One could find several references to aRivaR in tholkAppiyam and I have listed an instance herein:
“kazivinum nikazvinum ethivinum vazi koLa
nallavai uraiththalum allavai kadithalum
sevilikku uriya Akum enpa.
solliya kiLavi aRivarkkum uriya.”
Please note that “sevili” and “kiLavi” mean foster-mother and words, respectively. Other words are easily understandable.
When VaLLuvan says anthaNar, it could be aRivar, pArpanar, pulaiyar or any other Tamil priest. It could even refer to Jain priests.
Majority of the modern day Tamil Nadu Brahmins is descendent of Tamils who had converted into Brahmins due to Agama tradition. This is one of the major differences between Agama and Vedic traditions. Veda strictly prohibits this conversion.
It is unfortunate that the Vedic champions in this forum cannot distinguish between Veda and Agama.
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