Topic started by R. ARUL (@ 202.9.180.54) on Thu Oct 3 14:09:53 .
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Talk on caste and our English-educated elite feel uneasy, get irritated, argumentative, explode in anger dubbing you prejudiced and finally dismiss you as a crackpot. They say they do not believe in caste, never ask anybody’s caste and insist that nothing is decided on caste. Put one single, simple question: “Did you marry within the caste?” The answer will be “Yes”, quickly followed by a supplementary: “that is the only time in my life that I observed caste”. He says this so proudly without realizing that this one caste-based action keeps the caste system alive. Such is the shallowness of these small minds that they cannot make out that caste is perpetuated through the institution of marriage. And if we see the matrimonial columns that fill up the Sunday pages in our prestigious English dailies read by these elites, we find that even American-trained doctors, computer kids, MBAs seek alliances within the caste. And yet these elites, who becomes furious when caste is in public, shamelessly stick to caste in private and yet maintain a hypocritical stance on India’s most important fact of life, caste – the be-all and end-all of India’s life. So much for Indian hypocrisy on caste. But not all Indians can be accused of this hypocrisy. This is the monopoly of mainly the English-speaking, urban-dwelling elite who fortunately are a microscopic minority.

Caste has survived in spite of more then 50 years of anti-caste campaign. In fact, it is going strong.

The time has come for the rulers of India to recognise caste and allow caste to decide India’s future.

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• From: tony azggan (@ dialup-4.231.215.156.dial1.miami1.level3.net) on: Thu May 6 07:53:35 EDT 2004
  
  Caste system is extremely important in Tamil Nadu. Otherwise christians may get converted back to Hinduism. There must be some advantage of becoming a christian. The present day Government in Tamil Nadu is thank Kusboo (God) continuing the British policy.
  
  
• From: Kickboxer (@ 61.1.202.145) on: Thu May 6 14:35:10 EDT 2004
  
  Siddharth,
  
  Get a life!
  
  
• From: What? (@ ac86d9d6.ipt.aol.com) on: Thu May 6 15:43:36 EDT 2004
  
  I don't know what you ppl are raving about.
  
  Anyways, I think the whole caste system is stupid. I didn't even know about it because I am not from India. A friend of mine from India told me about it. She told me, for example, if you are a Patel you can ONLY marry a Patel. Isn't that kind of like incest and marrying your own family. That is really gross and is probably the cause of so many mental problems because of all the similarities of genes, at least that was what I was told (but not by my friend).
  
  Please, no one start "attacking" me for what I have said. This is what I was told and I never really looked it up. If anyone can correct me in terms of this, please do so.
  
  
• From: Kickboxer (@ 61.1.201.5) on: Thu May 6 17:43:01 EDT 2004
  
  Madhu,
  
  Did you get any specific info on the NGOs trying to bring election reforms?
  
  
• From: madhu (@ 199.67.140.77) on: Fri May 7 10:38:24 EDT 2004
  
  Kickboxer,
  
  In India there is an organization called 'Lok Satta'. They also have a US outfit called FDI (I am trying to reach a friend to confirm the name and website, unfortunately he is out of country). This organization is run by a guy name Jayaprakash Narayan, an Ex-IAS officer. I will post it when I get further details.
  
  
• From: Kickboxer (@ 61.2.225.240) on: Sun May 9 15:59:34 EDT 2004
  
  Guys try reading some of these books,
  
  http://www.presidentofindia.nic.in/scripts/books.jsp
  
  
  
• From: Netaji. Subramanya Raju (@ acac7103.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun May 30 21:35:36
  
  R arul, you have hit the nail on its head........
  I am one of this English - Educated type :).
  You are very right, our public and private response about CASTE are exactly opposite.
  What i personally feel is CASTE is personal and people should accept it that they do belive in this caste system and why not? I am proud to be an hindu and a muslim should be feeling the same.
  but the filthy opportunists called politicians and these religious leaders play this CASTE card for their survival and advantage.
  Its a high time that our country need YOUNG politicians with clear ideas than our old corrupted dogs (exceptions are excluded).
  Jai Hind
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun May 30 22:45:36 EDT 2004
  
  All the people who benefited positively from India's caste system, would not welcome your idea. They would block and make everything possible unfit, like they have always done. They would persistently impose corruption upon corruption and obstacles upon obstacles (including those they have imbedded in us, which we are slowing beginning to see) in the ways and means in doing what the majority (the abused people of India and the beneficiaries) would see as right. This is why we need to check and scrutinize carefully, the defenses(directly or indirecly) they come up with. We know from the past, they damages they impose when faced with such challenges to subdue, so they will forever have control and withhold “justice” from prevailing.
  
  
  
  
• From: urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun May 30 23:07:55 EDT 2004
  
  should be >(the abused people of India and "some" of the beneficiaries with real hearts)
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun May 30 23:32:21 EDT 2004
  
  I think I should use the word "unfit" in my above post of today, in the right sense here:
  
  should be > they make unfit or try to paralyze, the means, ways and instruments needed, to meet the right objectives.
  
  
  .....
  
  Good food for thought
  
  .....
  
  I think all true Indians with the best interest of India, should make a copy of this thread as you would with similar threads.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun May 30 23:36:13 EDT 2004
  
  The word "Indians" here includes tamils. Being from another country, I just can get use to saying Indians and Tamils.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ cpe006097497eb9-cm000f9f4fdc50.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Mon May 31 00:22:50 EDT 2004
  
  And I think Britain is ready and anxiously waiting for History to repeat iself :-)). Seriously!
  .......
  
  Had enough for tonight. Enjoyed it.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Thu Jun 3 15:49:30 EDT 2004
  
  //The word "Indians" here includes tamils. Being from another country, I just can get use to saying Indians and Tamils. //
  -Something TN THAMIZHANS should learn- INDEPENDANT THAMIZH NADU!
  perhaps the term Hinduvala (H)India will make you realize 'Thamizhans' are different and you are using a slang term 'Tamil'..not to mention it was generally used by Europeans to call the enslaved labours of theirs in so called (H)Indian subcontinent.
  
  
• From: Kickboxer (@ 61.1.202.50) on: Thu Jun 3 16:43:45 EDT 2004
  
  Nedunchezhiyan,
  Shut up
  
  
• From: Rabri Devi (@ cpe000a739bb43c-cm000a739bb43b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Thu Jun 3 19:52:50 EDT 2004
  
  Tamils of India are different from Tamizh of Shri Lanka. Shri Lankan Tamizh are not real TAMIL people or have any ancestry with Tamil Nadu!Shri Lankan Tamil terrorists use TAMIL language to degrade Indian and Hindu values in this forum! People of Tamil Nadu never agree with the Shri Lankans!
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Fri Jun 4 11:15:30 EDT 2004
  
  Kickboxer tisk tisk you kicked your words off the limit brother. AS FOR YOU RABRI DEVI you are a SINGHALA kutty you don't have any rights to talk about THAMIZH DISCUSSION you are a missle from Chandrika and created by JVP and sighala urumaya.
  
  INDEPENDANT THAMIZH NADU (TN) IS NECESSARY TO SAVE THAMIZH, THAMIZHANS, THAMIZH CULTURE, CIVILIZATION AND TO GET RID OF THAMIZHANS ON-GOING SLAVERISM, CASTEISM, FOREIGN LANGUAGE DOMINIONS!
  
  THAMIZH ARIJAR AVAI
  
  
• From: Kickboxer (@ 61.2.32.205) on: Fri Jun 4 16:59:52 EDT 2004
  
  I agree with Rabri Devi!
  
  
• From: Arjuna (@ 210.186.217.159) on: Sat Jun 5 10:56:39 EDT 2004
  
  Ambedhkar's concept of seperate parlimentary elections for the scheduled class must be instituted to bring dignity to the suppresses human.
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.199.207.3) on: Thu Jun 10 10:21:57 EDT 2004
  
  Caste system is here to stay and it is growing stronger after the parties like BJP have come to power. I have come across pamplets circulated by the RSS and the VHP which deal extensively on the caste system and its contents are disgusting which no nomral person would find easy to digest. Lets say that it deals with supremacy of high caste and how the low caste should be treated.If india is to develop and join the rank of developed nations this politics of caste and religion must be removed, if left unchecked india would be in the same league of nations which islamic fundamentalism has taken over!!!
  
  

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