Topic started by Kalpana (@ 203.94.234.122) on Thu Feb 27 10:04:49 .
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What are the pure tamil words for the following words ?

1.Gauravam - Gaurav
2.Mangalyam -Mangalya
3.Mounam -Mouna
4.Raagam-Raaga
5.Prasitham -Prasith
6.Swarasyam
7.Sambavam-Sambhav
8.Subhavam-Subhav
9.Gunam-Guun
10.Mugam-Moo
11.Vichitram-Vichitra
12.Vinodham-Vinodh
13.Mahanagaram-Mahanagar
14.Pada yathirai-Pada yatra
15.Kavigyan-Kavi
16.Kavidhai-Kavitha
17.Sugam-Sukh
18.Dukkam-Dukh

Some of the words may have come to sanskrit from tamil/dravidian.What are they ? There are many words which might seem to be from sanskrit,but i think there will be equivalent tamil words which some may not know (it's influence nothwithstanding).I don't know whether to call the above words as sanskritized or sanskritized/hindi/urdu words.Anyways,can someone come up with more words and it's original tamil equivalent?

Thanks

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• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Sat May 10 02:00:03 EDT 2003
  
  //pan Indian phenomenon //
  
  Some of the present day administration in India, is admittedly of mughal origin. However, it should be remembered that, India had a highly advanced justice and administration system before the mughals. And South india, virtually untouched for most of it's history by foreign invaders has it's rich system which fostered the richest empire in Indian history.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Sat May 10 02:08:02 EDT 2003
  
  More over, the constitution of India today is composed of the English Common Law - that has it's origins in England. There is a good effort to rewrite the constitution according to socoi-economic standards of india, which is good and thank god the BJP government is doing it.
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ cpe0050ba1669c3-cm014110219722.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sat May 10 02:29:50 EDT 2003
  
  1. vakaiyeedu
  2. Aalkooru
  4. Nikazhthakavu
  5. Nipunar
  8. valu
  9. NeerNilaiyiyal
  10. Padithiran
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Sat May 10 09:44:22 EDT 2003
  
  Guys: Read this for a change:
  
  http://www.samskrita-bharati.org/news/hindu082801.html
  
  
• From: makizhnan (@ l-sa507-7g.cavern.carleton.ca) on: Fri May 23 20:36:12 EDT 2003
  
  "Kaalam-Kaal Neram, thavaNai "
  
  I think kAl itself for time/period in Tamil is of Tamil orgin. Just like nEram probably came from nEr meaning stick (a proble simple solar time reading technique/device). Similarly kAl-meaning leg (of a tree or sticklike object) to find/measure time!
  Another reason is the word kAl it self is used in many place in thirukkuRaL
  eg:
  idukkaN varungkAl...
  ...nAkakka, kAvAkkAl...
  kANungkAl
  
  plus even now this word is used like orukkAl(just onetime) maRukkAl (later), ovvorukkAl(evertime), nedukAl(longtime/frequently) etc. So this could be a Tamil word as it penerated so deep even at the Valluvar's time!
  
  Layman,
  "Arab or Turkish or Persian or Urdu origin, I will just call Islamic)
  Vakkil (Lawyer - Islamic)
  Panchayaththu (Panchayat - Sanskrit)
  Jameendar / Jameen (Zameen - Islamic)
  Vakkalaththu (Vakaalat - Islamic)
  Needhi (justice - Sanskrit)
  I think most commonly used court or legal terms in Tamil are Islamic in origin."
  
  Well it's not a suprise since Mughal tempoarirly had a kingdom in TN.
  There are some more words of 'Islamic' orgin
  ilAkka - departmen - thiNakkaLam(Tamil)
  kuththakai - rent - vAdai
  thakaval - information - theriviththal
  
  Most pure Tamilist don't favour any foreign languages. If it ever seemslike they're targeting Sanskrit, that's because Sanskrit influence was longer than anyother languages's influence consequently more foreign words are of Sanskrit. The English language heavily targetted now days for it's more intense influence! Neverthless you must undertand that the pure Tamils don't hate any of these languages, they only hate those languages' words crepting into our languages and most of the time it's our Tamil speakers' fault!
  
  
• From: vAssan (@ bgp01389263bgs.sequoa01.nm.comcast.net) on: Sat May 24 00:48:58 EDT 2003
  
  Layman Wrote:
  would be really interested to know the pure Tamil equivalents for the following ones: (Since I am not sure if a word is of Arab or Turkish or Persian or Urdu origin, I will just call Islamic)
  Vakkil (Lawyer - Islamic)
  Panchayaththu (Panchayat - Sanskrit)
  Jameendar / Jameen (Zameen - Islamic)
  Vakkalaththu (Vakaalat - Islamic)
  Needhi (justice - Sanskrit)
  I think most commonly used court or legal terms in Tamil are Islamic in origin
  
  
  Vakkil vazakkaRinjar
  
  Panchayaththu uurAtchi or pErurAtchi manRam
  
  Jameendar nilakizaar or how about kAraNavar
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ cache-mtc-ah06.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon May 26 00:29:31 EDT 2003
  
  Dear makizhnan,
  
  // Fri May 23 20:36:12 EDT 2003
  
  "Kaalam-Kaal Neram, thavaNai "
  
  I think kAl itself for time/period in Tamil is of Tamil orgin. Just like nEram probably came from nEr meaning stick (a proble simple solar time reading technique/device). Similarly kAl-meaning leg (of a tree or sticklike object) to find/measure time!
  Another reason is the word kAl it self is used in many place in thirukkuRaL
  eg:
  idukkaN varungkAl...
  ...nAkakka, kAvAkkAl...
  kANungkAl
  
  plus even now this word is used like orukkAl(just onetime) maRukkAl (later), ovvorukkAl(evertime), nedukAl(longtime/frequently) etc. So this could be a Tamil word as it penerated so deep even at the Valluvar's time!//
  
  I concur with your claim that kAlam is of Tamil origin. When I checked the Persian dictionary, there is no such word for period.
  
  
• From: makizhnan (@ l-lh121-13g.cavern.carleton.ca) on: Tue May 27 23:46:08 EDT 2003
  
  How about pure Tamil words for sambal(food), sambanthi (inlaws) saran(surrendar)?
  
  BTW Im glad there's no words for surrender in Tamil.
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ outside4.jacobs.com) on: Fri May 30 19:03:37 EDT 2003
  
  
  Makizhnan,
  
  // Tue May 27 23:46:08 EDT 2003
  
  How about pure Tamil words for sambal(food), sambanthi (inlaws) saran(surrendar)?
  
  BTW Im glad there's no words for surrender in Tamil.//
  
  (1) “adaikalam” is the Tamil word for surrender.
  
  (2) “sampanthi” is used for either father or mother in-law. However, Tamil has separate words for each of them:
  
  mAma, mAmanAr, ammAn: father-in-law
  mAmi : mother-in-law
  
  (3) Why do think “sampal” is not of Tamil origin? It could have originated from “sappai Akkuthal.” Another Tamil word is “thuvaiyal”.
  
  
• From: . (@ bgp385601bgs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net) on: Sat May 31 01:14:00 EDT 2003
  
  Can anyone please tell me the origin of names of popular dishes - Idli, Dosai and Sambhar..What do they mean and in which language?
  
  
• From: . (@ bgp385601bgs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net) on: Sat May 31 01:27:12 EDT 2003
  
  What are pure Tamil equivalents for the following words?
  NagarAtchi (Municipality, Nagar - Sanskrit)
  MAnagarAtchi (Corporation, MA - a corruption of Sanskrit 'Maha'?, Nagar - Sanskrit)
  
  Pradhamar (short for PM, Pradhama - Sanskrit)
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Sat May 31 03:35:45 EDT 2003
  
  Nagar, Nagaram are both tamil words. MA is also tamil sanskritised to 'Maha'.
  
  Verbal roots in Tamil:
  naku,nakuthal = to exist,to become conspicuous, renowned.
  
  nagar - a renowned habitat, settlement > town, city.
  > nagaram.
  
  Sanskrit uses the word 'nagara' borrowed from Tamil not 'Nagar'. (Winslow, Tamil - English Dict, M. Williams Sanskrit - English Dict). There are not roots in Sanskrit. 'Nagar' may have been utlised in Sanskrit at a later stage.
  
  mA - is a tamil adjective
  Root - maku >makam - greatness, thinkness, largeness.
  
  eg: mAn = periyOn - a great man.
  
  other meanings of
  mA - measure, mAtthal - to measure, to size
  
  mAthiram > emmAthiram (how) immAthiram (like this).
  
  mAthirai > a pricisely quantified medicine
  mAthirai > a time measure in music
  
  mAnilam > land measure.
  
  mA means 'size', but normally denotes 'largeness'
  
  Monier Williams trace the Sanskrit 'Maha' roots to 'magh' - which has not meanings in Sanskrit. The root of 'magh' is the Tamil 'maku' - greatness.
  
  The poster should not assume that any words in Sanskrit is orginallly Sanskrit. Sanskrit is 40% Tamil (Dravidian) 30% Prakrits and 30% Vedic Language.
  
  Simple words that occur in both Sanskrit and Tamil are normally Tamil. Complex words like bhAkiam, athistham, pirapantham, namaskAram are Sanskrit words sometimes used in Tamil.
  
  So instead of asking for pure Tamil equivalents for 'nagar' and 'mAnagar' - which are Tamil words, go and check the pure Sanskrit equivalents.
  
  
  

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