Topic started by AlwaysRight (@ l224ppp224.ksc.net.th) on Wed Nov 6 11:00:45 .
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Anybody knows the exact reason?! No offence plz..

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• From: N.V.K. Ashraf (@ 61.95.249.153) on: Thu Aug 21 05:25:38 EDT 2003
  
  Roshan,
  
  When I said "Unfortunately, the article has been copied and copied by Muslims without making any effort to verify the authenticity of this quote from Book of Rites" you said you did not understand the message you are trying to convey here.
  
  Well, I didn't expect that to be so difficult to understand. The Book of Rites does not say that a GENTLEMAN should not EAT the flesh of pigs and dogs.
  
  It only says, WITHOUT SUFFICIENT CAUSE,
  (i) a PRINCE should not KILL an ox,
  (ii) nor a GREAT OFFICER (kill) a sheep
  (iii) nor ANOTHER officer (kill) a dog or a pig
  (iv) nor a COMMON PERSON EAT delicate food.
  
  No where do these statements imply that dogs and pigs should not be eaten, even by a Prince leave alone common man. It only says without reason, an officer should not kill dogs or pigs.
  
  The Muslims have distorted this saying to suit their convenience.
  
  
• From: N.V.K. Ashraf (@ 61.95.249.153) on: Thu Aug 21 06:02:13 EDT 2003
  
  When I said the old Testament which is not binding on Christians, citing Gospel you said Jesus came actually to fulfill the law of prophets.
  
  Yes, indeed. But that is just one off statement, but in many other places in the New Testament, the pronouncements of Jesus are quite contradictory to what is said in Old Testament! No scritpure is without any contradition. We see such pronouncements in Quran also.
  
  The Quran has a verse which says "nothing new has been told to you (Muhammad) that has not been told to messengers before you". Going by that verse, can we say that the Gospel, Torah are also binding on Muslims. Moreover, in two places, the Quran says the Jews who follow Torah and Christians who follow Gospel need not worry (as far as salvation is concerned). Based on these verses, we cannot expect Muslims to believe that the Bible also be followed for salvation. Simply for the fact that the Quran elsewhere clearly says that no religion other than Islam is acceptable to Him.
  
  
• From: Roshan (@ 203.115.13.90) on: Thu Aug 21 06:20:49 EDT 2003
  
  Ashraf,
  I got it. I wasn't in any case aware of the "Book of Rites of Chinese" and any Muslim quoting (or corrupting) citations from this book to justify their arguments on circumcision and pork eating. That's why I found a bit hard to figure out what you were saying. Even the people who are most involved in preaching the Quaran and Sunnah and with whom I have had discussions and the Islamic books I've read on this subject had never said or quoted anything about it.
  
  Any way thanks for the infomation on the "Book of Rites of Chinese". I got to know something new today. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Roshan (@ 203.115.13.90) on: Thu Aug 21 06:27:51 EDT 2003
  
  >> Moreover, in two places, the Quran says the Jews who follow Torah and Christians who follow Gospel need not worry>>
  
  If I'm correct the 'Gospel' what Quran says is the "injeel" vEtham (I'm not sure about the exact English word for vEtham), given to Jesus (pbuh) not the "New Testament" of the Bible. Again if I remember correct Quaran clearly differentiates between "Injeel" and the "Gospel" of Christians.
  
  
• From: N.V.K. Ashraf (@ 203.145.173.208) on: Thu Aug 21 08:34:02 EDT 2003
  
  Roshan,
  
  The Book of Rites is more like Manu Smriti in many ways. You can call it the Manu Smriti of China.
  
  Regarding Gospel / Injeel:
  The Quran refers to the Gospel by the name Injeel. Yes, the Quran says God gave Injeel to Jesus. But no where does the QURAN differentiate Injeel from Gospel!! It is only MUSLIMS who claim that the Injeel (which has been lost now!) was different from the present Gospel.
  
  If we have to believe that Muhammad was referring to the Injeel which was different from the Gospel we have today (as Muslims claim), then we have to say that what was in circulation during the time of Muhammad was the real Injeel which ultimately got replaced (or got corrupted) with the New Testament. Unfortunately this is not the case because the Canon of Bible was fixed at least 3 centuries before the advent of Muhammad (700 AD) and we have no evidence or whatsoever to show that the Gospel or Injeel has changed since then.
  
  

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