Topic started by R.Sri Hari (@ modem15.bayrac.eureka.lk) on Thu Nov 30 03:06:56 .
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Tamil Saivaites should accept Tamil-Thirukkural as their Tamil Saivaite Codes of Ethics helping them to lead an orderly and clean life being helpful to themselves and to the other fellow beings making the life in this birth worthy of living.

They should accept the complete Tamil-Thirumuraihal as the Tamil Saivite Sacred Hyms leading to their prayers to Lord Shiva to provide salvation from all sins of their past birth,and what has been already done in this birth wittingly and unwittingly, and to have a next birth of much superior life or attainment of the glory of being with the Lord Shiva free from anymore births.

All Pusai or Archanai Prayars should be in Tamil selected from the sacred Thirumurai Hyms of the great Saiva Saints {Nayanmars of Tamilnadu namely the Thirunavukarasar and the Mannikkavasagar ending with the Tamil word "Porttri" singing the glory of Lord Shiva instead of Sanskrit Puja Mantras presently recited in the Shiva Temples.

To know a little more on the Tamil Saivaism I am speaking of please vist my Message Board having the folling URL.

http://www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1262749

Responses:

• From: Hemant (@ 63.109.250.137) on: Thu Nov 30 04:46:14 EST 2000
  
  Hello R.Sri Hari.Thanks for the spirited views you expressed about Tamil Archanai and Tamil Saivaits should follow Tamil Thirukkural and Tamil Thirumuraihal.
  Except for a few really literate people in Tamil Language, how many of the masses understand the ancient language as written in those stotras?
  Just walk on Wall Tax road in Madras and ask ten people using that language any thing.I bet not even one will understand what you are asking him or her.
  I do appreciate your love for the language.But scriptures should have contemporary language so that people would understand what is conveyed.
  I would be happy if prayers are said in colloquial languages.
  
  
• From: Periyar Arivar (@ outside.jacobs.com) on: Tue Dec 5 19:19:29 EST 2000
  
  Dear Sri,
  
  Tamil Saivites recognize only the Saiva Thirumraigal as their holy scriptures. Vedas, Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana and Mahabarata are not part of the Tamil Saivite religion.
  
  Saivaism was developed during the Bhakti Movement in Thamilagam. The hymns composed by the 63 Adiyars in Tamil provide the basis for the Saivaism.
  
  The four greatest Adiyars were Sampandar, Appar, Suntharar and Manikavasakar. Their work contitute the bulk of the essential scriptures for the Saivaites.The first three Adiyars composed a collection of 787 stanzas known as Thevarams. Manikavasakar composed Thiruvasakam, a volume of 3000 stanzas.
  
  Saiva literature also include the following:
  
  Thiruppugal, Thiruvisaipa, Thiruppalandu, Thiruppuranam, Thirumanthiram, Thiruvarudpayan, Periya Puranam, Siva Puranam, Kantha Puranam, Kantharanupoothi, Kantharalankaram, Pattinathar Padal, etc.
  
  Tamil Saivites have adequate literature in their religion. It is not required to incorporate either Vedic Gods or Buddha in Saivaism. Tamil Nadu Tamils should understand the ulterior motive of the Brahmin supremacists.
  
  BUT, I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION OF INCLUDING THIRUKURAL INTO SAIVAISM. Thirukural enriches our Tamil language. Tamil language belongs to Saivites, Vishnavites, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims, Jains, etc. Thirukural links all Tamils with various faiths. Moreover, Thirukural is not a religious literature.
  
  Let Thirukural foster unity among Tamils who practice different religions. People interest shall take precedence over the religion.
  
  
• From: Ravana Arasan (@ proxyc6.cyberway.com.sg) on: Wed Dec 6 00:20:50 EST 2000
  
  Bravo Periyar Arivar!!!
  Bravo!!
  We need people like you. I am glad there are people in this world who know to the difference between race and religion. I really like your view regarding Thirukural.
  keep it up man
  
  
• From: Ravana Arasan (@ proxyc6.cyberway.com.sg) on: Wed Dec 6 00:29:21 EST 2000
  
  I totally agree with you regardinbg the Thirukural.
  Bravo Periyar Ariyar!
  
  
• From: Hemant (@ 63.109.250.137) on: Wed Dec 6 03:51:04 EST 2000
  
  According to my humble understanding, Thirukkural was creation of a great soul who believed more in social rules and rightful conduct than any Shiva or other sects.
  To me he sounded more like a JAIN SCHOLAR than anything else.
  There is a saying that Everyone wants to be called as RICH MEN'S RELATIVE.
  Thiruvalluvar should not be hijacked by any religion or sect.
  Probebly he was the wisest of all the Tamis ever born.!! And his literature will be valid even after ages.
  
  
• From: anu (@ 164.164.86.66) on: Fri Dec 8 06:03:03 EST 2000
  
  Can anyone give me links to some good online English translations of Tirukkural(+ original Tamil)?
  
  
• From: Hemant (@ 202.144.107.4) on: Fri Dec 8 11:21:13 EST 2000
  
  Hello Anu,
  Here is a very fine impartial URL for Thirukkural in English translated form.
  www.coimbatore.net/kural/ku_1.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages
  
  
• From: Vijay Tharma (@ 12.47.73.195) on: Fri Dec 8 12:56:08 EST 2000
  
  Anu, Start here at our own forumhub ;-))
  http://www.forumhub.com/poems/14018.14.26.15.html
  http://www.deccan.net/tirukural/1.htm
  http://www.vidyavrikshah.org/kuralint.html
  http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/kural/kural001.htm
  
  This will be the most interesting ;-))
  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5180/kural1.html
  
  
• From: Yashwant (@ c701887-a.ftclns1.co.home.com) on: Wed Dec 20 01:27:23 EST 2000
  
  I am curious about who did the translation in
  
  www.coimbatore.net/kural/ku_1.html
  
  The intersting thing about this translation is that all expressions indicating any religious references have been deliberately neutralized
  (somewhat artificially). Good thing about this translation is that they have included the section on Love, that has been omitted from http://www.deccan.net/tirukural/.
  
  The author of Thirukural certainly had a specific religion, but that should not diminish the value of the work. The author composed it for everyone regardless of religious affiliations.
  
  
• From: sankar (@ 210-210-36-143.lan.sify.net) on: Sun Nov 9 09:22:18
  
  i am very much interested to hear tamil devotional songs especially like thiruppukazh , abirami andhathi, etc. kindly let me know that any possiblity to get Audio CD or cassette for kantharalankaram complete 100 songs . if you have any idea please in form me
  thank you
  
  sankar
  
  
• From: a (@ jrc-cache5.jaring.my) on: Mon Nov 10 00:55:50 EST 2003
  
  Brahmapuram Swaminathan's Thiruvasagam is very good, oozes with pangs of love and agony. Try to listen if you want hear something full of 'urukkam'.
  
  
• From: K.janarthanan (@ cache218.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Aug 10 09:04:16
  
  //Thiruvalluvar should not be hijacked by any religion or sect.
  Probebly he was the wisest of all the Tamis ever born.!! And his literature will be valid even after ages.//
  
  That is the reason of Sri Hari and all of us wanting it to be our Code of Ethics. Saivism is not just a sect, but is liked with Shiva. Anything linked to God is love, and it is from love that goodness springs out.Goodness forms morality, a thing that Thiruvalluvar emphasises
  
  
• From: K.janarthanan (@ cache218.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Aug 10 09:06:55 EDT 2004
  
  //BUT, I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION OF INCLUDING THIRUKURAL INTO SAIVAISM. Thirukural enriches our Tamil language. Tamil language belongs to Saivites, Vishnavites, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims, Jains, etc. Thirukural links all Tamils with various faiths//
  
  Why not we incorporate Thirukkural not only into Saivsm , but in all religious prayers, which has Tamil congrgation? This way, a Universal Scripture can be formed for our race.
  
  
• From: mr.mister (@ mv3-24.217.18.64.charter-stl.com) on: Tue Aug 10 09:35:58 EDT 2004
  
  Hey!! they r everywhere!!
  
  
• From: mr.mister (@ mv3-24.217.18.64.charter-stl.com) on: Tue Aug 10 12:16:36 EDT 2004
  
  I mean thirukural. The verses are everywhere (buses etc).But they have to made known worldwide.
  
  
• From: R.Sri Hari (@ modem37.bayrac2.eureka.lk) on: Fri Aug 13 13:52:50 EDT 2004
  
  Readers,
  
  Visit the Website with the URL address
  
  http://www.webspawner.com/users/kundavi/index.html
  
  
• From: shivaraman (@ www16.simpull.com) on: Sat Aug 14 21:04:50 EDT 2004
  
  I am a perfect and true Tamil Hindu. But is it true that Thiruvalluvar was originally a Jain saint?
  I have come to know these fact from many . Kindly clear my doubts
  
  
• From: shivaraman (@ www16.simpull.com) on: Sat Aug 14 21:07:38 EDT 2004
  
  Moreover Thiruvalluvar is not known in any other part of world. if you call him Hindu he has to have his work in rest of hinduism too. But no body seems to be knowing him beyond the boundary of Tamilnadu. So he may not be a hindu .
  
  
• From: davie (@ utep8755) on: Sun Aug 15 01:29:50 EDT 2004
  
  well at the time when thiruvalluvar wrote thirukural there were no classifications or invasions by so called aryans.
  and alsothere was no division like brahmin etc etc. lol.
  there was religion but he does not know shiva or sungodd etc.
  
  sounds interesting is did.
  Can u find such kind of interesting literature in any of those races in the world???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
  Again a testimony of dravidian supremacy
  
  
• From: Shivaraman (@ www16.simpull.com) on: Sun Aug 15 02:27:36 EDT 2004
  
  Well Thiruvalluvar would have been a jain saint and most of dravidians were followers of Jainism before Hindus entered by way of aryans and brahmins.
  
  
• From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112) on: Wed Aug 18 11:26:53 EDT 2004
  
  "well at the time when thiruvalluvar wrote thirukural there were no classifications or invasions by so called aryans."
  
  u know valluvar has written 3 kurals on brahmns???
  
  "Andanan enbone aravone...""
  
  If there was no Brahmins in tamilnadu then, where did the word 'andanan" come from???
  
  
  There was caste system at the time of Thiruvalluvar too.
  
  His Thirukkural was not allowed to be staged coz he belonged to a low caste.
  
  With recommendation from one called "Avvayyar", his thirukural got staged okay??
  
  There r verses like "malar misai " which stands for Lord Vishnu.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112) on: Wed Aug 18 11:27:11 EDT 2004
  
  Thirukkural is actually a traslation of North Indian Jain moral book which has all the three aram, porul, inbam and Veedu??
  
  As these dravidians were not capable of understanding supernatural things with their little brains, valluvar did not include Veedu which means Moksha.
  
  He clearly understood the incapacity of tamils in understanding the supernatural.
  
  Tamils can understand Aram, Porul, Inbam (Kamathu Paal)
  
  Not beyond that.
  
  So he didnt include it.
  
  Ok
  
  
• From: hi (@ 199.71.136.70) on: Wed Aug 18 12:17:11 EDT 2004
  
  hi
  
  
• From: karthikeyan (@ ) on: Tue Nov 30 12:32:34
  
  Dear sirs,
  with respect karthi, has sent this mail.
  I would like to hear full thiruvasakam .
  If it is available plz le me know.
  loving
  karthikeyan
  
  
• From: karthikeyan (@ 202.142.66.191) on: Tue Nov 30 12:34:26 EST 2004
  
  Dear sirs,
  with respect karthi, has sent this mail.
  I would like to hear full thiruvasakam in CD.
  If it is available plz le me know.
  loving
  karthikeyan
  
  
• From: davie (@ 170.224.224.154) on: Sat Dec 4 01:34:41 EST 2004
  
  Hinduism relgion came into existence only before 400 years when Brishers came to india.
  
  
• From: truth (@ dsl-chn-111.253.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Wed Dec 8 06:59:35 EST 2004
  
  Not Hinduism, only the name Hinduism.
  Both r two different things.
  Origin of the name for religious practices in India from a westerners point of view might have started 400 yrs back.
  But the practices r here since long. very long.
  
  
• From: davie (@ pc-w7pas2aur2ge) on: Thu Dec 9 01:22:52 EST 2004
  
  davie (@ 170.224.224.154)
  hell i never wrote the stuff by this guy.
  (its too dumb)
  
  

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