Topic started by Karuvayan (@ cs6668103-167.austin.rr.com) on Thu Jan 16 10:00:39 .
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• From: tamilan-1 (@ startelcorp.com) on: Thu Jan 16 14:12:44
  
  Karunaaya,
  
  Our famous sankarar says:
  "A society in which all people lived in unity had been in existence from time immemorial. "But several people with a political background are trying to divide us", he said.
  "
  
  While infact, its this same sankarar that divides us using caste. His own hostel segregates the brahmins and non-brahmins. He asked for people of all castes to support his anti-conversion agenda. He himself see tamils divided on caste lines and preaches about politician. He himself is a politician.
  
  We must first enact a law to regulate the kanchi madam rules thereby,
  
  1. Kanchi madam will recruit dalits as priests and one day sanakarar will be replaced by a dalit who can guide the mutt from a dalit-perspective. Afterall that happens in christianity where there are dalit bishops
  2. Hinduism will abloish caste in its charter of principles
  
  
• From: jp (@ 209.167.202.210) on: Mon Jan 27 18:47:31
  
  Do you guys know "Tamil Nadu Prevention of Forcible Conversions Act" is actually aimed at dalits ?
  
  it makes Dalits helpless, they can no longer be able to say I will change my religion if you do not treat me equal.
  
  lets see what happens to the 'Amma' the Bootham ?
  
  
  
• From: tamilan-1 (@ startelcorp.com) on: Mon Jan 27 20:02:29
  
  jp,
  
  Tamil Nadu Prevention of Forcible Conversions Act is not only aimed at dalits, it will be used against any Hindu that wants to even consider becoming a christian/mulim/buddhist/sikh.
  
  Imagine a Hindu that wants to convert to christianity. All it takes to stop that guy, is to go to a nearby police station and make a formal complaint. If that police station is lethargic, tell them that a fax has been sent to mama jaya and the police will be on its feet!
  
  This is how nazis hunted the jews. RSS nazis want to do the same in tamil nadu. This will lead to only one thing and that is make christians/muslims/buddhists form exteremist groups. When that happens, RSS brahmins will start to blame the non-brahmin RSSians. Guess who will pay the price! - A nice brahmin chicanery, it will be! Fellow dravidians be aware of the brahminical designs behind anti-conversion agenda.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs6668103-167.austin.rr.com) on: Mon Jan 27 23:09:04
  
  //This is how nazis hunted the jews. //
  
  The Nazis were Roman Catholics. The roman catholic pope at that time, Pope Xius the 12th was called "Hitler's pope"
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs6668103-167.austin.rr.com) on: Tue Jan 28 00:47:37
  
  Read about the wonderful missionary activities:
  
  http://www.bharatvani.org/books/ncr/
  
  
• From: jp (@ 209.167.202.210) on: Tue Jan 28 12:32:45
  
  Good link
  
  //Promising or providing free medical facilities. //
  
  This is part of Medical profession; no one needs to become Christians to get free medical aid in a Christian hospital; for that matter no one needs to become Hindu to go to Aravind Eye hospital.
  
  Do you know of 'Doctors without Borders'?
  
  //Giving free education to children. //
  
  How many went to christian school (of Highest Quality) and become Christians.
  
  // Promising relief from social disabilities suffered in ancestral religion and class, and a better social status as Christians.//
  
  When did becoming a Christian considered Cool!!!
  
  Read this
  
  8. Witnessing for the Lord Jesus Christ by volunteers or whole-time workers is a matter of spiritual zeal and enthusiasm which forbid all objectionable methods. Of course, humanitarian and philanthropical activities of the Christian Church cannot be called fraudulent and unfair methods as they are meant to meet the human needs. According to the injunction of the Lord Jesus Christ, “Bear one another’s burden”, Christians are bound to help the poor and the needy as much as possible.
  
  
  9. There is no doubt that the majority of the converts is from poorer classes. Poverty, it is being argued is the reason of their becoming Christians. The Indian State and Congress Party is committed to a policy of social benefit and the removal of caste-barriers and this is inherent in the Foundation Charter of U. N. O. to which India subscribes. Consequently, if people who are suffering shameful disabilities which are denounced by the Government and the Charter of U. N. O. are attracted to Christianity because it provides them with relief from this intolerable burden, this is a commendation and not a condemnation of Christian work.
  
  
  10. To us, Christians, conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit being the result of conviction of sin and need of salvation. Missionaries and preachers do not and cannot convert any one of themselves except those persons who are already converted by the Spirit of God. When any one having been convinced in heart and mind expresses his desire to become a Christian, he is instructed for three to six months in the Christian tenets and also tested if his motives are genuine before he is admitted into the Christian fold. Knowingly, we do not admit any one who has not had religious conviction. Of course, we sometimes find that we are deceived and. thus, some genuine cases are not admitted.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ pcl-b121.lib.utexas.edu) on: Tue Jan 28 18:40:42
  
  //This is part of Medical profession; no one needs to become Christians to get free medical aid in a Christian hospital; for that matter no one needs to become Hindu to go to Aravind Eye hospital. //
  
  This is the biggest facade i have read. Do you know how these christian doctors go about converting? They go to a village and diagnose a man. They find out what disease he has and gives him a placebo (a fake pill) and ask him to think of the hindu god and take it. He is not cured. Then they ask him to take jesus into his heart and give him the correct medicine. Lo! he is cured and what you know next....he converts!
  
  //How many went to christian school (of Highest Quality) and become Christians. //
  
  The christians schools have the poorest quality of education. The only kind of people that christians schools have created are politicians like Laloo Prasad Yadav, Ram Vilas Paswan, and Jaya. (yes she went to a Christian school)
  
  However, the maximum number of students who get into IITs, BITS Pilani, and top medical institutes are from Hindu Schools like Padma Seshadri, Sri Sankara.
  
  C V Raman studied at Hindu High School in Triplicane, Madras.
  
  

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