Tirumular on the Vedas and Saiva Siddhantam

Topic started by Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on Mon Mar 17 16:12:41 .
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"The Veda with the Agama is the truth; they are the word of the Lord: these revelations of the Lord are to be studied as the general and the special doctrines; on enquiry they are taken to be different as giving rise to two different sets of conclusions: but to the great ones they are non different." It is in Tirumantiram we first come across the word Siddhantam. In one place, Tirumular says:-

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"Since the soul attains salvation in Siddhanta, the devotees of Siddhanta become Jivan-Muktas; as Siddhanta is the quintessence of all the Vedas, it is the right path that will discover Siva."

I am sure our pal, Periyar Muttal will now brand Tirumular as a low caste hindu. Say Periyar Muttal, why don't you start a new religion yourself. Theyby you and your cronies can worship kushboo, EVR and Karunanidhi.

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From: Ashraf (@ ddp-14-222.ras226.mantraonline.com) on: Fri Aug 1 09:27:38

Hi,

I have the translation of Thirumandiram by Natarajan with me. It is also awailable for download from the Net (both Tamil and English). However, I am looking forward to another English translation of this book. Has it been translated only once?
From: Keezhkottam Arunmozhi Mazhavarayan (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Fri Aug 1 10:18:17 EDT 2003

Ashraf,

I have a book with me,back in India. I bought it from the Ramakrishna Math book stall at Mylapore. It has english translations, I don't know if it is Natarajan. But those english translations were wrong at many places, then I decided to read the verses myself and tried to understand the meaning with the help of the lexicon.
From: neo_morpheus (@ 219.65.97.150) on: Fri Aug 1 15:45:36 EDT 2003

>> But those english translations were wrong at many places, then I decided to read the verses myself and tried to understand the meaning with the help of the lexicon. >>

hahhahhahaha!

what if the lexicon was wwrong too??!;-)
From: Ashraf (@ 203.94.203.133) on: Sat Aug 2 00:00:13 EDT 2003

Mr. Arunmozhi,

The translation by Natarajan has been published by Ramakrishma Math only. It must be the same I have. Recently, they have brought out an International Edition of the same translation to popularize Thirumandiram in the West. But this one was edited by some one called Govindan and therefore some minor modifications have been make here and there to Natarajan's translation. By and large the same, though.
From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Sat Aug 2 05:29:39 EDT 2003

Ashraf, good to see you back in FH. Your website is really good.
From: Keezhkottam Arunmozhi Mazhavarayan (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Sat Aug 2 06:21:34 EDT 2003

Ashraf,

I will ask somebody to check that.Thanks for the information.

What we require is converting this information into knowledge. It is immaterial if Jesus was crucified or he came to Kashmir, the stress should be that the christians should not be so fanatical.

We are all brothers, birds of the same flock. Let us progress further and test the boundaries of our unlimited capabilities, let us make the world a better place to live in. Let us not destroy the world by creating divisions based on language, religion, race , caste.

The exchange of information should lead to wisdom and mellow down the fundamentalists.Vazhgu Jesus, Vazhgu Shiva, Vazhgu Islah!
From: Keezhkottam Arunmozhi Mazhavarayan (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Sat Aug 2 06:22:24 EDT 2003

sorry for typo:

Vazhgu = vazhga
From: Ashraf (@ 203.145.173.193) on: Sat Aug 2 06:39:11 EDT 2003

Thanks Mr. Karu, but I am not getting the time to update the site these days. Too much work at office. I have a lot to do, answering claims and criticism of relgious bigots, based on references I collect from old Tamils texts. Currently on Thirumandiram and Quran, with the reference to remarks on Embryogensis in them.
From: Keezhkottam Arunmozhi Mazhavarayan (@ 161.65-104.adsl.ij.net) on: Sat Aug 2 06:45:18 EDT 2003

Ashraf,

May God bless you. If there are a few muslims like you, the world will not have such amount of hate towards muslims.

The need of the hour is such efforts. Basically God can be only one. All saints from all over the world might've perceived the same truth. It is the over importance given by fundamentalists to the uniqueness of their respective religions is what creates the clash of civilisations.
From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Sat Aug 2 09:36:17 EDT 2003

I too agree. If there are more muslims like President Kalam and more christians like K J Yesudass, I will not argue with christians and muslims.
From: slayer (@ proxify.com) on: Sat Aug 2 14:11:46 EDT 2003

--++ I will not argue with christians and muslims.++--

a day will come when you will repent for these sins. you will bow down to our Lord!
From: N.V.K. Ashraf (@ ddp-27-162.ras227.mantraonline.com) on: Tue Aug 5 02:42:36 EDT 2003

It was a pleasant surprise to come across this CD on EMBRYOLOGY IN THIRUMANDIRAM now on sales at this web site:
http://www.angelfire.com/ak/nkannan/publications.html

Tirumandram - a medical & scientific outlook! -
¾¢ÕÁó¾¢Ãò¾¢ø «È¢Å¢Âø ÁÕòÐÅ ÑðÀí¸û!

The description says: "Tirumandiram is not only a highly revered religious text but it is also a source of ancient science. Thirumoolar gives an excellent sex education and teaches human embryology in detail! This is a multi-media CD with beautiful drawings, music and the entire 9 volumes of Tirumandiram in text form!"

The CD costs 13 US $ if I order it through this site. Can any one tell me if this is available for purchase from shops directly?

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