Topic started by siva (@ adsl-64-174-90-70.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on Sun Jul 21 14:00:07 .
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The PMK has demanded that Tamil Nadu should be bifurcated. What do people think?

(Major parties have opposed the idea - see http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jul/21tn.htm )

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• From: Selvam (@ 61.1.195.215) on: Wed Sep 25 01:16:38
  
  Vanniyars constitute only about 12% of Tamilnadu's Population.In the so called Vanniyar Belt they form only about 20-30%. And they are equally strengthened by Dalits who too form about 20-30% in the Vanniyar Belt. Mudaliars another powerful community in the Vanniyar Belt constitute about 15-20%. So I do not think Dr.Ramadass is not asking for a separate for his Vanniyar community.
  
  
• From: malar (@ f1.airproducts.com) on: Wed Oct 2 12:19:41
  
  Something really should be done to prevent all these people to have a party based on caste. We should have a law to prevent such madness. We are living in 21st centuary and still we bother only abt our caste people.kurgiya vattathukullirunthu eppothu veliye varuvom?? why cant Ramdoss fought for downtrodden people?? why it should be only vanniyars?? Are they the only people who are backward? Aren't there places in TN where a dalit person gets killed 'cos he chose to represent people.Aren't they backward people who cant even speak for themselves?Aren't there places where infants get killed by their own parents? Arent these people's life is backward in thinking and standard?If vanniars come up in life, will that alone make India the developed country? Is it not the right time for us to come out of this narrow mindedness? moreover we should stop the destructive madness of protesting by bringing down the trees. lets make somebody our leader 'cos he works for people not 'cos he belongs to a caste.
  How bifurcating is going to solve day to day problems of people of tamilnadu.Arent we have enough problem with another state in sharing water?? Every single state constitutes for the improvement of tamilnadu. If we excel in technology in Chennai, We feed most of Tamilnadu from districts like Tanjore,Trichy etc.If we earn income from industries in Coimbatore and Salem, we earn income thru tourist or fishing from Kanyakumari,Thuthukudi.If everyone gets this stupid brainstorm in India, then we will have no states only tiny fragments. It is just a stunt to get attention by talking all this nonsense. We should not forgive such people who poison uneducated(sometimes educated too),backward people minds in destructive path. namudaiya gurukiya vattathai innum kurukka vendam...
  
  
• From: R. ARUL (@ 202.9.180.54) on: Thu Oct 3 14:07:15
  
  Talk on caste and our English-educated elite feel uneasy, get irritated, argumentative, explode in anger dubbing you prejudiced and finally dismiss you as a crackpot. They say they do not believe in caste, never ask anybody’s caste and insist that nothing is decided on caste. Put one single, simple question: “Did you marry within the caste?” The answer will be “Yes”, quickly followed by a supplementary: “that is the only time in my life that I observed caste”. He says this so proudly without realizing that this one caste-based action keeps the caste system alive. Such is the shallowness of these small minds that they cannot make out that caste is perpetuated through the institution of marriage. And if we see the matrimonial columns that fill up the Sunday pages in our prestigious English dailies read by these elites, we find that even American-trained doctors, computer kids, MBAs seek alliances within the caste. And yet these elites, who becomes furious when caste is in public, shamelessly stick to caste in private and yet maintain a hypocritical stance on India’s most important fact of life, caste – the be-all and end-all of India’s life. So much for Indian hypocrisy on caste. But not all Indians can be accused of this hypocrisy. This is the monopoly of mainly the English-speaking, urban-dwelling elite who fortunately are a microscopic minority.
  
  Caste has survived in spite of more then 50 years of anti-caste campaign. In fact, it is going strong.
  
  The time has come for the rulers of India to recognise caste and allow caste to decide India’s future.
  
  
• From: krishnamoorthy (@ 203.199.213.4) on: Fri Oct 25 01:01:47
  
  arul!
  
  you are perfectly logical about the perpetuation of the caste system thro the institution of marriage. the thing is we can't solve the problem of caste by denying its presence,by staying out of the system. As for as the bifurcation of TN is concerned I feel its totally unwarranted which can only serve to increase the Govt. expenditure on admn. and ofcourse our ministers perks of the new found state. But definitely we can think about shifting our capital from Chennai to Madurai. This is based on the fact that having the commercial as well as administrative capitals in the same city creates a lot of pressure and therefore inefficiency. Also, creation of capital Madurai will help increase the pace of development in the southern districts. Besides, having the capital at the northern most tip doesn't augur well even in this technological age.
  
  
• From: Tholkappian (@ palo13.pacific.net.sg) on: Mon Nov 11 09:29:09
  
  Mr.Arul,
  These people don't make up the Universe.Let us forget these small miniscule & mean beings.
  
  Tholkappian
  
  
• From: siva (@ 61.0.135.82) on: Sun Dec 8 01:25:34
  
  good arul, everyone shold think like you. because our contry going to become a developed and powered in 2020 said our president. so the indians everyone should try to make our country the peaceful. its ok the pakistanians would make war on us, i dont think so that it will be stopped. so just everyone should try to do that what can they do!
  do or die! - mahatma
  
  siva
  
  
• From: siva (@ 61.0.135.82) on: Sun Dec 8 01:25:50
  
  good arul, everyone shold think like you. because our contry going to become a developed and powered in 2020 said our president. so the indians everyone should try to make our country the peaceful. its ok the pakistanians would make war on us, i dont think so that it will be stopped. so just everyone should try to do that what can they do!
  do or die! - mahatma
  
  siva
  
  
• From: nadar_boys (@ ) on: Fri Jan 30 07:20:26
  
  nadar population is nearly 1,00,00,000. In south Tamilnadu (kanyakumari, tuticorin, trunelveli, virudhunagar, madurai, ramanathapuram, theni.....) nadar people are the majarity. kanyakumari 65% nadar people......
  
  
• From: DRAVIDAPRIYAN (@ 61.11.83.238) on: Fri Jan 30 07:29:58 EST 2004
  
  "VANNIYAR NAADU" , " DEVER NAADU" , "NADAR NAADU" , "GOUNDER NAADU " , " MUDHALIYAR NAADU" , "YAADAV NAADU" , " PILLAI NAADU" , "CHETTI NAADU" , " NAIDU NAADU " , " DALIT NAADU" ......GOOD .
  
  ROMDAS UR R NOT A VANNIYAR. NOT A TAMILAR.
  YES. U R INDIAN.
  DONT THINK LIKE A MAD.
  WHY DO U BEHAVE LIKE DR.PRAKASH?
  
  
• From: devendra mallar (@ 203.199.224.67) on: Sat Jan 31 01:37:26 EST 2004
  
  IF TAMILNADU IS BIFURCATED VANNIYAR [PALLI]CHIEF MINISTER WILL RULE NORTH TAMILNADU AND DEVENDRAR[PALLAR] CHIEF MINISTER WILL RULE SOUTH TAMILNADU.WE ARE READY TO ROTATE IT[SOUTH TAMILNADU] TO NADAR BROTHERS.
  
  
• From: v (@ 212.72.6.10) on: Thu Feb 5 03:34:27 EST 2004
  
  Brahmins are common to all and only they will be able to make Hindi the common language in Tamil Nadu that would eventually make the various casteist groups realize the bigger objective of a vibrant, developed state...ofcourse, we are witnessing the same now...only a progressive leader could initiate actions like rain water harvesting (forget controversial money making projects like veeranam, krishna waters etc), made all the laid back, corrupt and useless government employees realize that they are disposable commodities...we need a iron hand ruling the state...we should also change the name of the only state named after a language..and that too a lost language..
  
  Shame on you caseteist fellows
  
  
• From: dev (@ 203.199.224.157) on: Sat Feb 7 01:59:39 EST 2004
  
  Tamilan
  Pallar prime job now is ploughing and their clash with Thevars is an unsolved equation of Pandian - Chozhan fight. Hope you know Chozha once overpowered Pandian and that lasted only for a shortwhile. To take revenge pandians destroyed the chola army and kept them out of pandian society [meaning out of village, festivals, paddy fields]and in the course of time pallar are forced to do service jobs and during Indian constituion forming they were enlisted in SC list.
  
  More over Vanniars are soldiers of Chozha dynasty and they have physical resemblence with Pallars of south.
  
  
  
  
• From: vinay (@ 203.199.224.157) on: Sat Feb 7 04:49:09 EST 2004
  
  Pallars should be removed from sc list and included in bc list.
  
  
• From: R.Sri Hari (@ modem13.bayrac4.eureka.lk) on: Sat Feb 7 09:34:33 EST 2004
  
  A CALL FOR ALL THAMILAR IN THAMIL NAADU.
  
  PLEASE ! PLEASE !! PLEASE !!! DONOT PROMOTE
  
  ANY BIFURCATION OF THAMIL NAADU AT ANY COST.
  
  
  LET ALL THAMILAR INSPITE OF THEIR SO
  
  CALLED "DIVERSE CASTE DIVISIONS", BE UNITED AND
  
  ACCOMODATING.
  
  "IN UNITY WE PROSPER - IN DIVERSITY WE FALL"
  
  "ONTRU PATTAAL UNDU VAALVU, OTTRUMAI INTREL ANAIVARKKUM THAALVU"
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: covad (@ h-66-134-126-45.lsanca54.covad.net) on: Sun Feb 8 03:37:21 EST 2004
  
  Before preserving Tamil culture, I request all the Tamilians to learn basic Table and toilet manners. They just squat on table as well as toilet and spoil the same like uncivilized jungle devils.
  
  But in any case christianity is teaching them both nowadays. It if plus point , but they learn at the cost of their language and civilization if they have one.
  
  
• From: tony azggan (@ dialup-67.75.73.48.dial1.miami1.level3.net) on: Sun Feb 8 14:47:24 EST 2004
  
  Tamilians do not and should not use table so theris question of learning table manners. This is a foreign concept.
  
  
• From: Indianoble (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun Feb 8 15:32:16 EST 2004
  
  So you want all of them in loongis, since pants, trousers are also poreign goncept.
  
  
• From: VIJAY (@ 203.199.220.182) on: Wed Feb 18 01:07:05 EST 2004
  
  
  From: VIJAY (@ 203.199.220.182) on: Wed Feb 18 01:02:37 EST 2004
  
  
  In Society , brahmins are not attacking SC's.Only some BC,s are still want to dominate over SC,s. They are the real culprits.If they change their mind /attitude towards SC,s , there will be no need for reservations. Brahmin dominated media always want SC,BC DIVIDE AND RULE. BC,S unnecessarily practising 'SANSCRITISATION'.
  
  
  
• From: VANNIYA DEVENDRAN (@ 203.199.224.212) on: Sat Feb 21 06:08:28 EST 2004
  
  Pallars are included in sc list in 1957 only . But nadars and vanniyars were in sc list [depressed classes list] in 1935 itself.Later in 1950 with great difficulty they came out. Pallars are kshatriyas like vanniyars. Devendrakula vellalars inclusion in sc list is a historical blunder . Pallars[mallars] were the rulers of chera, chola, pandiya kingdoms. Now there is a agitation among devendra youths to include them in bc list for social reasons. Pallars inclusion in sc list will affect thevar like bcs only.More devendras will become IAS,IPS and book others in untouchability case. South tamilnadu is physically dominated by devendras and thevars only. In 1991-1996 caste clashes nearly 300 thevars and 300 devendras were killed. This statistics will show devendras are not dalits. They are real warriors.
  
  
  
  

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