Topic started by Seneviratne (@ mail.britishcouncil.lk) on Sat Feb 8 06:05:23 .
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Oraon tribals have most ancient hunter gatherer life style among Wananchalis.Their genetic composition is uniform.Would like more on this ''ancient Tamils''

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• From: davie (@ meta114847.utep.edu) on: Mon Nov 1 05:50:26 EST 2004
  
  brothers hate brothers
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-dtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Nov 1 20:06:57 EST 2004
  
  davie stop with nonsense. oh and mm change ur self to m and m. You got a problem with the Thamizh Community? The world Wasn't a tribalized 2,000 years ago. How do you explain the Thamizh Kingdoms that existed in the Thamizh Nadu (not the current TN) 3,000 years ago or even before. Mohenjadaro and Harappa were Thamizhars cities. There wasn't much of a country but independant consitituition existed perhaps.
  
  
• From: davie (@ meta114847.utep.edu) on: Tue Nov 2 18:27:06 EST 2004
  
  even in VEDHAS CASTE IS TO BE ASSUMED ONLY BASED ON CHARACTER. NOT BY BIRTH
  so even in olden days they were more united and equal.
  
  so it justifies my thinking that some sect of the community like thieves were assumed the lowest class.
  check back for more information!!!!!!!
  
  http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda
  
  
• From: davie (@ manager.ecc.utep.edu) on: Fri Nov 5 02:11:58 EST 2004
  
  SOME OF THE LATEST FINDINGS
  i) caste in ancient india was based on character rather than color or birth. eg) thieves were assumed lowest caste
  ii) dark people and non brahmins ruled india especially the south infact they constituted many brahmins. So there is no doubt that dark brahmins who are present today were existing even before a 2000 years as brahmins.
  iii) dravidian kings ruled south india
  
  I want arguments only on the above issues. I dont want some one to say the same story that black people are inferior or i hate christian missionaries or i dont like south indian people and blah blah. So, i expect some argument only on the three isssues.
  
  
• From: Mudathirumaran (@ dsl-tn-096.254.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Sat Nov 6 02:31:45 EST 2004
  
  Birth of Castes= Birth of Brahmins, when Brahmins fell in the earth they brought us castes with them.
  
  
• From: daviesamy (@ ip5.webandserverhosting.com) on: Sun Nov 7 19:07:27 EST 2004
  
  Only iyers are hindus. not the dravidians. Today what tamil culture is iyer culture. So how dravidians came, why they became shudra and asura?
  So if you remove iyers from Tamil culture and remove
  hindu religion from Tamil culture, only then we can talk of pure dravidian culture and dravidian divinity.
  
  Thirukuaral and vedas cannot belong to same religion. if they are same then tamilians will not hate vedas. So thirukural was written by budhist if I am not mistaken. and all the dravidians were originally budhists. Muruga was head of budhism who was avatar of Budha. and before muruga dravidians use to worship Mountai, fire, air.
  History do not talk of Hinduism parallel to dravidian culture.
  
  
  
• From: DAVIUE (@ s0030140939) on: Mon Nov 8 22:07:04 EST 2004
  
  i) caste in ancient india was based on character rather than color or birth. eg) thieves were assumed lowest caste
  ii) dark people and non brahmins ruled india especially the south infact they constituted many brahmins. So there is no doubt that dark brahmins who are present today were existing even before a 2000 years as brahmins.
  iii) dravidian kings ruled south india
  iv) All indians are invaders at one period or the other. The list includes aryans and dravidians.
  BRAHMINS and BRAHMINISM WERE PRESENT IN INDIA EVEN BEFORE ARYAN INVASION
  
  
• From: davie (@ meta114847.utep.edu) on: Wed Nov 10 01:11:54 EST 2004
  
  i mean those assuras and other low caste people were decided based on their character.
  So, dark or white does not decide what caste the person belongs.
  
  
• From: Papa Prem (@ mv3-24.217.49.201.charter-stl.com) on: Wed Nov 10 02:22:07 EST 2004
  
  //other low caste people were decided based on their character//
  
  ???? Watch ur mouth ..it's straying too much.
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 18:30:28 EST 2004
  
  i mean what position u hold in the society, decides what class of society you belong. if any one who becomes a king will become a kshatria. and if anyone just takes the position of priests he becomes a brahmin
  
  thats what i meant. no confusions.
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 18:32:50 EST 2004
  
  
  i mean what position u hold in the society, decides what class of society you belong. if any one who becomes a king will become a kshatria. and if anyone just takes the position of priests he becomes a brahmin
  
  thats what i meant. no confusions.
  
  and papa prem u dont have to get emotional for sillythings like this.
  
  
• From: Papa Johnny (@ mv3-24.217.49.201.charter-stl.com) on: Wed Nov 10 23:10:18 EST 2004
  
  Hey Davie,
  
  Iam Papa Johnny now,lol. Sorry man!.. I misunderstood u . I hate to interrupt ur findings..lol.
  
  
• From: Papa Johnny (@ mv3-24.217.49.201.charter-stl.com) on: Wed Nov 10 23:13:41 EST 2004
  
  and how is Texas!..I was at UTA for a while before I got transfered from there.Was not bad though ..lot of our guys almost a 1000 I believe lol. Regards.
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 23:34:51 EST 2004
  
  ive moved on to UVA
  the campus is like wow
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 23:36:02 EST 2004
  
  virginia and west virginia are one of the most beautiful states
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Wed Nov 10 23:37:02 EST 2004
  
  ive been to my friends place at UTA. arlingapuram lol
  
  
• From: Papa Johnny (@ mv3-24.217.49.201.charter-stl.com) on: Thu Nov 11 00:21:16 EST 2004
  
  U lucky blighter..arlingapuram is right heheh, around the campus u can hear tamil songs blaring out lol.
  
  When i first got out of the plane and out of the airport(dazed, confused and jetlagged) it was just as hot as back home, it added to the confusion as i thought i was still in india lol. but of course these mexicans think u r one of them..lol.. which brings a question and i hope u address this doubt..heheh dude, is the indian race related to these mexican fellas..lol.
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Thu Nov 11 03:47:39 EST 2004
  
  lol.
  
  
• From: davie (@ 129.108.36.37) on: Thu Nov 11 04:27:33 EST 2004
  
  no luck involved. uva is no 2 public school in the us
  
  

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