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Let us discuss about Narayana Guru, and his acknowledgement of Tamil origin.

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• From: Ashok (@ 12-226-20-115.client.attbi.com) on: Fri Aug 16 00:20:13
  
  can you give me a background of who narayana guru is? I dont know about him
  
  
• From: ezhil (@ 61.1.209.35) on: Wed Sep 4 08:58:37
  
  Billava and Thiyya sub sects of Ezhavas are basically Nadars. But Nadars live as a separate caste in Kerala. And Narayana Guru is a Thiyya.
  
  
• From: anandan (@ ) on: Tue Mar 23 10:15:18
  
  billvas,edigas of tulunadu ,chokan,thiyan.ezava(now commonley known as ezavas) and nadars of southern coasts are belong to same cast group.in "sangha"time they were jains,budhists or shakthyers(who worshipped devis,nagas and dravida gods like madan).but when bramanical religion got power in kerala they became hindus though they are low cast there were lot of sanskritpundits and viydyas in this cast because of this budhist back ground.ezava means the people came from ezathu nadu(lanka),thiya means people from island,budihisam came to kerala from lanka.now around 26% keralas are belongs to ezavas(largest group,muslims(22%),x'tains(20%),nairs 14%,SC(9%)).NARAYANA GURU'S guru was a tamil saint known as "thykkadu ayyvau",he was the guru of chattambi swamigal also
  
  
• From: bhattathiri (@ ) on: Sun Apr 25 08:06:08
  
  India has been the home of an indigenous religious and cultural system, known today as "hinduism", which is followed by nearly one billion adherents. India is also the home of another great religion - Budhism. And there was Christianity in India [before AD 52] even before there were Christians in Europe! Later Islam found its way into Kerala as early as 7th century [Cheraman Juma masjid AD 662, Cranganore, Kerala]. It is to the credit of India that the country tolerated other faiths and religions througout its long history.
  Ancient India produced great writings in Sanskrit - Vedas, Puranas, the Great Epics Mahabharata and Ramayana, Budhist writings and many more - the quality and depth of which are unprallelled anywhere else in the World. Yet, at the end of the 20th century, we see that many parts of India are in a state of development (both material and spiritual) which is not very different from what was about 3000 years ago! There is enough to prove that many areas have gone backward!
  
  Obviously something has gone wrong somewhere! Over the centuries, there have been no shortage of religious leaders in India. There is no record that any of them advocated violence or evil means. Still, the inequality and superstitions we see in some parts of India are appauling! After careful analysis we have come to the conclusion that eventhough we had many religious leaders in recent centuries, very few of them can be classified as reformers. By and large a religious "reformation" never took place in India! Recall that it was "Reformation" which saved Christianity in Europe.
  
  Having said that, we see some sparklings of change here and there. Most notably Bengal had been the cradle of Indian reformation. Rajaram Mohun Roy, Ramakrishna Paramahasmar, Swami Vivekanada are the most notable among them. Bengal also produced great literary figures who enhanced these reformation movements - Benkim Chandra Chatterji and Tagore, to name a few. In the southern state of Kerala there was another great social leader at the end of the 19th century - Narayana Guru who called for reformation in "hindu" society, with great success. These movements which took place in Bengal and Kerala, at different times with some overlap, had its impact in the societies of these two states in India. Both had long spell of leftist governments, both had popular movements for the enhancement of the common man, both produced literature dealing with issues of common man. This forum is dedicated to the great reformers who called for change in relgious beliefs, change in society and change in social fabric. They all looked forward and stood firmly for views which sometimes were out of phase with the existing dogmas and times.
  
  The reformation in Bengal, was mostly led by somewhat elites of the society who were fortunate enough (those days) to have good English Education (except Ramakrishna Paramahamsar). Naturally they got more exposure in the rest of India and the West. The changes which took place in Kerala at the grass root level, was led by someone who did not belong to the higher echelons of Society. The great reformers of Bengal played the role of "Martin Luther", whereas, as a recent author - Bill McKibben - correctly put it "activists like Sri Narayana Guru had to be both Martin Luther and Martin Luther King" at the same time! There is not much known about Narayana Guru in the West, and for that matter even in the rest of India. In this information age, we dedicate this forum to the teachings of the Guru and its great relevance in the 21st Century.
  
  http://www.geocities.com/guruforum/purpose.htm
  
  
• From: bhattathiri (@ 202.88.235.242) on: Sun Apr 25 08:09:26 EDT 2004
  
  Sree Narayana Guru was one of the great social reformers of India. This book introduces to the readers, the great personality who had brought about revolutionary changes in the social fabric of Kerala and makes the readers familiar with the prevailing social conditions of those days.
  More details: Breaking the fetters of orthodoxy and tradition, Sree Narayana Guru consecrated temples as a challenge to existing Aryan Temples and engaged low caste people as priests and archakas in his temples. This revolutionary step generated a new wave of awareness in the society of Kerala. The so-called low caste people got a fresh impetus to derive self respect and self confidence. But the Guru knew that just worshipping in a temple would not dispel backwardness. That is why aa his temples for worship, have been made temples of knowledge also. He worked incessantly for the spread of education. Today the State of Kerala stands in the forefront in literacy, public health, land reforms and women’s education. The modern society of Kerala is progressive and enlightened. It is Sree Narayana Guru who laid the foundation for this. The Guru was neither a sociologist nor just a philosopher. He was one who converted philosophy into practical action. He had imbibed the spirit of Advaitha Philosophy and made use of it for spiritual sublimation as well as social justice and welfare. This achievement of objectifying an abstract theory and establishing it through practical results is unique. This book deals with the later part of it, the social aspect.
  
  http://www.bhavans.info/store/bookdetail.asp?bid=104&bauth=Sathya+Bai+Sivadas%2C+P.+Prabhakara+Rao
  
  
• From: V.K.BALAKRISHNAN (@ ppp-219.65.46.251.mum2.vsnl.net.in) on: Mon Jul 5 08:34:26
  
  I have read few books written by the Great Guru and his followers, but I would say that Sri Narayana Guru had no caste or religion. I am not able to understand as to how some people referring him that this Great Guru was from Ezhava Community. Sri Narayana Guru had no caste or religion. He embraced humanity and not religion. There is no Hundus, Christians, Muslims or Jains in this world. All are human being. Therefore, I would say that Sri Narayana Guru is the greatest of all gurus.
  
  
• From: Arul (@ 202.141.142.23) on: Fri Jul 9 14:45:22 EDT 2004
  
  Mr.Bhattathiri, please tell these cat and bull stories to idiots.Under the garb of respecting all religions u fellows insert the most venomous of lies to deceive and enslave ignorant masses."India has been the home of an indigenous religious and cultural system, known today as "hinduism", which is followed by nearly one billion adherents". This one statement is enough to prove that u r a cunning bas..d trying to rescue ur immoral( gods fuc..g wives of other men by taking their husbands' forms) and shameless religion by cloaking under secular fabric.
  
  
• From: Arul (@ 202.141.142.23) on: Fri Jul 9 14:51:17 EDT 2004
  
  In another 10 to 20 years either all Tamilians should convert to other religions or become atheists if at all they want to regain their self-respect and realize their social, economic political and cultural potentials. Though this applies to all the nationalities residing in the indian union Tamils have to lead the way as torchbearers and as harbingers of egalitarian revolutions.
  
  
• From: madhusudhra (@ 220.226.39.145) on: Wed Jul 14 08:59:30 EDT 2004
  
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  i am madhusudhra from andhrapradesh india.now i am activist in BALAMAINA VARGALA SAMAKHYA meens strenthed classes federation.iam organising andhrapradesh rural B.Cs.our altimate gole is educatin,helth,technology,agriculture and state power for majorty population communities,through unity.development of
  
  
  
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• From: vinith (@ r04burken.ddns.umr.edu) on: Sun Sep 19 22:21:43
  
  most of the information about ezhavas and Sree Narayana Guru through the internet are twisted and myths. they are not true. so please dont follow. The history and origin of ezhavas can be understood from good books written by dependable authors. Can any one suggest good books?
  
  I am in search of relevant books and have plans to start a webpage descibing the origin and history of ezhavas. I need good evidence to support the data to be published
  
  -vinith
  
  
• From: vinith (@ r04burken.ddns.umr.edu) on: Sun Sep 19 22:22:28 EDT 2004
  
  most of the information about ezhavas and Sree Narayana Guru through the internet are twisted and myths. they are not true. so please dont follow. The history and origin of ezhavas can be understood from good books written by dependable authors. Can any one suggest good books?
  
  I am in search of relevant books and have plans to start a webpage descibing the origin and history of ezhavas. I need good evidence to support the data to be published
  
  -vinith
  
  
• From: tony azggan (@ dialup-4.234.54.118.dial1.miami1.level3.net) on: Mon Sep 20 00:19:40 EDT 2004
  
  Dr.Arul has the best solution. Conversion is the answer. People should be converted to foreign religeons to get self respect as tamilians.Those who love children should become catholics. Those who like slavery should become protestants, as savior was for slavery and was not interested in saving the slaves. Also protestants have killed more people than all religeons except Islam.Another attraction is what the British masters told us that converted people in time will become white. By converting one can always for eternity belong to the backward class. That is another advantage.
  Those who like to kill nonbeleivers, and wage Jihad, should become muslims,also they can enjoy 72 virgins in jannat. I myself would like everyone to convert to Gusbooism as by seeing a tamil film is like praying to Goddess gusboo.
  Those who do not agree with the above are probably not backward idiots and who cares about you anyway, not in Tamil Nadu.
  
  
• From: NADARASA (@ 203.115.31.44) on: Wed Sep 29 09:01:37 EDT 2004
  
  Are Ezhavas and Nadars the same people with the same appearance.
  I notice #Nadars as Heavily built fizzed haired Dravidian type as against slender fair Mediterranian looking Ezhavas.
  
  
• From: Nanmaaran (@ dsl-tn-155.244.247.61.touchtelindia.net) on: Sat Oct 2 09:59:41 EDT 2004
  
  Sree Narayana Guru a great social reformer hail from Ezhava Nadar community, fought against social evils.
  
  
• From: bhattathiri (@ ) on: Mon Oct 18 19:44:06
  
  The Nadha Brahmam "Ohm" or in Modern terminology Schumman resonance has a
  close significance Aum corresponds to the strongest of the schuman resonance
  among all other bio magnetic fields. we can relate the seven different
  chakras in body to these sounds and also with Schumann Resonances of earth,
  ie, 7.83, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz of earth. We all know 7.83 hz
  being the strongest of all.
  
  Ohm - 7.83Hz
  Gam - 14hz
  Hleem - 20Hz
  Hreem - 26Hz
  Kleem - 33Hz
  Krowm - 39Hz
  Sreem - 45Hz
  
  Raam- is also a Beejaksharam, who resonance frequency lies between 26 to 33
  
  Remember its all vibration, E = M * C^2 the energy emmited is square of the
  vibration of mantra you use. You can raise the Kundalini with constant
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• From: smrithi.avinash (@ 210.14.8.33) on: Thu Oct 28 12:49:55 EDT 2004
  
  i am getting more and more confused who are thiyyas and who are ezavas.what is the difference and tell me are they backward communities as i do not think that these communities belong to backward class.i know people of this class too wearing the sacred thread ie the thread worn by brahmans.i have seen people who are not brahmans and are similar to the thiyya ezava community wearing the thread.so i think there is no difference.thiyyas ,ezavas are communities who do poojas in temples just like brahmanas.
  
  

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